Recent fights/results/news from Japan II

Discussion in 'Muay Thai and Kickboxing' started by Shadess, Apr 24, 2016.

  1. Mafanofe

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    damn Shishido still fighting, and still on shootboxing as the last remaining star :eek:

    everyone left the ship and the old man still on it.
     
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    Better to mention some fantasy matchup against Takeru. I love how he talks about a fight against a retired kid's trainer in the same vein as Wanchalong and Suakim.
     
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    He's a "combat sports fan." That crowd doesn't follow or typically acknowledge Muay Thai -- and when they do, it's usually because a non-Thai beat a Thai.
     
  5. lukeuidswords

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    Its especially weird given that articles in this vein are almost always done before a big fight to get more clicks, not knocking it, it just makes more sense that way. But no mention at all here. Feels apropos of nothing.
     
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    I mean Jack Slack is mostly a mma fan. I was going to hate on his half informed articles as well, but at least he's getting the fighters names out there on vice sport. can't hate on that.
     
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    Kaito shin ace
     
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    Under what ruleset are Tenshin and Rodtung fighting?

    And under what ruleset does Tenshin usually fight?
     
  9. ichibang

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    Tenshin vs Rodtung = no elbow, no clinching

    Tenshin normally fight in either no elbow no clinching or elbow but very limited clinching rule
     
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  10. Snubnoze707

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    Because he's Thai, bro...
     
  11. ichibang

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    Jack Slack has a very limited knowledge of the Lumpini/Raja stadium scene. He also does not know much
    about the Chinese kickboxing scene. He probably could not talk in details about Takeru/Tenshin's level of competition either.
     
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    But bro he hit Wanchalong with an elbow. "An elbow! The weapon that—according to Muay Thai fans back to the old K-1 Max tourneys—Japanese kickboxing organizations are supposed to be protecting their golden boys from"
     
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  14. Tayski

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    Everybody these days is practising that "scissor" kick made famous by Saenchai, I find that so cringy.
     
  15. ichibang

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    I have been binge watching K-1 Max tournaments for nostalgia's sake, and my goodness. The number of
    robberies Masato got away with is just ridiculous.

    Just obvious ones:
    Gifted a decision in the first Zambidis fight (2003).
    Gifted an extra round in the first Buakaw's fight (2004).
    Protected by the ref against Kid (2004).
    Gifted a decision gainst Zambidis (2005)
    Robbed Sato and Kyshenko in the same night (2008) (Judges refused to deduct a point for knock down)

    And I totally forgot the obsession of Masato and K-1 producers in trying to prove their superiority against boxing.
    Matching Masato against one shot boxer after another, then Masato kept on calling out a boxing fight
    in Las Vegas against Oscar De Lahoya.

    Crazy years of kickboxing.
     
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  16. Tayski

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    Japanese gotta Japanese.

    It's been the same in Kyokushin tournaments in Japan for a long time. A lot of time the Japanese fighters get easier routes to the finals by being seeded against weaker opponents, or if there's 2 strong Japanese fighters the organisers make sure that they're as far from each other as possible in the seeds so that they can only meet in the finals, and the amount of bended hometown decisions is insane. I mean I even remember one of the UK team coaches saying to the UK fighters going to fight in Japan: "you'll never win a decision in Japan against the Japanese, so better go for the KO or you won't win."
     
  17. ichibang

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    I actually have been thinking about the economics of Japanese fight sports promotions lately.
    Because Japan is such a large economy, they never really need to rely on promoting their events abroad.
    All of their promotions are home based (Boxing, K-1, Pride/post-pride MMA) and just need to get Japanese people
    to buy the tickets or watch their events at home.
    So they do what make sense to them, getting the Japanese stars either easy or most marketable fights, whether it is
    boxing, K-1 or Pride, then rinse and repeat.

    The result is that once these promotions die, Japanese fighters then perform so poorly abroad that it is kind of sad.
    They are used to having home-town advantage that the challenges of 1. jet lag 2. unfavorable match up 3. unbiased judges/refs
    result in them losing fights after fights. (This is super obvious in UFC).

    I mean we as a fan rarely think about it, but it is kind of crazy to fly from the US or Europe a few days before,
    then go fight in Saitama Super Arena lol. One of Tenshin's opponents was actually featured in Japan's TV show
    and dude was doing sightseeing and chill before days before fight.
     
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  18. tru3f4n

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    What Japanese star came into the UFC at his peak other then Mach, Horiguchi, and Okami? I'm not saying you're wrong but guys like Gomi and Kid were on the down swing of their careers when they came to the UFC. Then there is guys like Akiyama who started late and fought in the wrong weightclass.
     
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  19. ichibang

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    Akiyama was still pretty much in his prime when he came to the UFC. He actually started at heavyweight/light hw.
    Apart from the Belfort's fight, Akiyama's defeat was all the result of poor fight IQ
    e.g. not using his judo in Jake Shields fight or not managing his stamina well against Leben.
    Akihiro Gono was also in his prime when he came to the UFC.
    Sakurai was obviously in his prime.
    Hatsu Hioki was in his prime and was touted as the man to beat Jose Aldo.

    I think you miss my point that I am talking about Japanese fighters that used to fight in top Japanese promotions.
    Not fighters who have obviously been accustomed to fighting abroad like Okami or newer generation talents
    based abroad like Horiguchi.
     
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