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Mafanofe said:
wei rui was visible much bigger than Thanonchai

he can make 65kg without problem,i want to see him against Noiri or Kaew
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Yeah size and the fact that Thanonchai doesn't look comfortable as a kickboxer, he looked a bit flat in his last kickboxing fight too.
 
Karaev fan said:
THE FIX IS IN

Expect Sittichai to be unable to enter the tournament due to Visa problems on the day of. Enriko Kehl replaces him and fights Askerov to a double KO. With both fighters incapacitated, Yi Long pronounced winner of the Yi Long challenge by default.


EDIT' Sounds like Rui dominated Thanonchai. Wish I got to see it :(
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The vid is up on siam fight news, Rui knocked him down with a snap kick to the face.
 
AbeRudder said:


Wei Rui/Thanonchai - It's on siam fight news if the fb link doesnt show up

Rui/Jianliang is the Takeru/Tenshin of chinese kickboxing right now though I think Rui is quite a bit better.
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Really? He has a handful of wins that look good on paper, but I find him pretty ordinary. Got a gift against Petpanomrung and, if my memory is right, was in a fairly even fight with an uninspired Pakon. I mean, he won that fight before it took place because Pakon couldn't even make the weight.
 
Cocakillbana said:
Was this his first fight back since being injured?
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Yeah he hasn't fought in a while which probably played a part too. I think his last fight was against a french guy a while back, can't remember if it was this year or not.
 
Cocakillbana said:
Really? He has a handful of wins that look good on paper, but I find him pretty ordinary. Got a gift against Petpanomrung and, if my memory is right, was in a fairly even fight with an uninspired Pakon. I mean, he won that fight before it took place because Pakon couldn't even make the weight.
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First Pakorn fight I thought he lost but Rui got an automatic win because Pakorn missed weight, second fight Rui edged out a 2-1 decision. I think he's getting better, he had a good run in the k1 tournament and cruised past kongnapa. He is still a bit unproven but we'll see, I think he's a more technically sound fighter than Jianliang.
 
AbeRudder said:
Yeah size and the fact that Thanonchai doesn't look comfortable as a kickboxer, he looked a bit flat in his last kickboxing fight too.
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Size difference and injury aside I just don't think he has the skills to be a good kickboxer. Too much like Anuwat or Bovy or someone of that mold.
 
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AbeRudder said:
He is still a bit unproven but we'll see, I think he's a more technically sound fighter than Jianliang.
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I think he's a much more focused fighter than Jianliang is and only cares about winning fights. Jianliang often just looks like he's trying to entertain either himself or the crowd. He spends tons of time moving around not doing much and then throwing some sort of flashy kick. I think Jianliang can do fundamental stuff just as well as Rui can and is much more athletic, but doesn't seem to have much use for it a lot of the time.

I've seen footage of both of them training and Jianliang looks much better than Rui: he's faster, he hits harder, he's much more explosive, he's better balanced, etc. But I don't think he's as disciplined as Rui.
 
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shit what a messy fight (Wei Rui vs. Thanonchai).

WTF with Thanonchai's kick defense? he really doesn't look good in kickboxing.
 
jtwarwagon4life said:
Size difference and injury aside I just don't think he has the skills to be a good kickboxer. Too much like Anuwat or Bovy or someone of that mold.
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Anuwat got old well not really old but the point in his career where he was just meh. As for Bovy he started out well enough even for being some what past it and did fairly decent under Shootboxing rules there was a decent two year span from the Pinca fight till the Souwer where he was doing decent.
 
jtwarwagon4life said:
Size difference and injury aside I just don't think he has the skills to be a good kickboxer. Too much like Anuwat or Bovy or someone of that mold.
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I agree. That type of Thai brawler style isn't usually effective under kickboxing or international mt. Guys like Bovy, Anuwat, Pornsaneh, Yodkhunpon, Thanonchai, Seksan etc can be successful in the stadiums because 1 they have experience against Thais and 2 they sometimes go up against Thai's who don't have much experience against their style and can't handle the pressure but once they go up against a decent foreign opponent who can handle it and can send back their own they're not as effective because they sometimes end up brawling against a bigger, stronger opponent at their own game.

Someone like Yodsanklai who used to be a fimeur and took on the aggressor route is a good example of an effective style against foreigners because he combined the 2. He was like the boxer GGG. Very controlled aggression. Not wild Seksan type of aggression. Someone like Seksan would end up like Aikpracha. Some success here and there but will keep getting KO'ed.

Petpanomrung has a good style for kb but he needs to work on a few things. He hasn't worked his way into the kb game like Sittichai. He was just thrown straight into the deep end. He fought a much bigger and stronger Roosmalen under kb rules in his 5th fight outside of the stadiums and still looked impressive. Imagine if that was Seksan in there.
 
Julius_Caesar said:
That type of Thai brawler style isn't usually effective under international mt. Guys like Bovy, Anuwat, Pornsaneh, Yodkhunpon, Thanonchai, Seksan etc
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I don't know about internatinal mt. Seksan, Thanonchai and Aikprecha all have decent records in international mt. Except for Anuwat or Pornsanae, most of those guys are somewhat versatile and in international mt they can knee and clinch pretty well too. So, they don't have to exchange punches in the pocket for a prolonged amount of time if they don't want to. They can transition into closer range strikes after throwing a few shots or tie their man up if they get stung coming in. But you can't do that in kickboxing, so their defensive flaws and over aggressiveness becomes more of a problem.
 
Julius_Caesar said:
I think he beats Marat

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Maybe, but I don't think he's very durable and I'm not sure how well he deals with pressure. That seems like a bad combination to have when fighting Grigorian. Sittichai nearly knocked him out. Sittichai doesn't knock out anyone. The guys chin is suspect.
 
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Thanonchai at 60kg would be much better for him as a kickboxer (if i remember rob said he wants to focus on fighting in china and internationally), even at that weight he is a bit on the short side. If a brawler/pressure fighter can't make his opponent respect his power then it becomes pretty difficult for them and you end up with the fight we just saw.

Seksan just does not have the style for kickboxing at any weight, I said this before when he was announced to fight in kunlun. I wouldn't be surprised if a mid tier chinese fighter ko'd him. As far as internationally mt goes seksan has been very good aside from the collins fight and that was a big jump in weight for him.
 
jtwarwagon4life said:
I think he's a much more focused fighter than Jianliang is and only cares about winning fights. Jianliang often just looks like he's trying to entertain either himself or the crowd. He spends tons of time moving around not doing much and then throwing some sort of flashy kick. I think Jianliang can do fundamental stuff just as well as Rui can and is much more athletic, but doesn't seem to have much use for it a lot of the time.

I've seen footage of both of them training and Jianliang looks much better than Rui: he's faster, he hits harder, he's much more explosive, he's better balanced, etc. But I don't think he's as disciplined as Rui.
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Jianliang has that problem that i've noticed from quite a few chinese fighters where they get incredibly reckless with punches in the pocket and leave themselves wide open to counters. He got dropped by Jomthong twice in their first fight doing this and even against the ghost of Bovy. Jianliang has the athleticism and power but not the temperament or fight iq that rui does, I don't think it's him trying to be entertaining, more an inherent flaw in his style.
 
AbeRudder said:
Jianliang has that problem that i've noticed from quite a few chinese fighters where they get incredibly reckless with punches in the pocket and leave themselves wide open to counters.
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I don't really agree with that. Jianliang might be vulnerable to counter punches, but I don't think that's indicative of a trend. The fight where Jianliang got really lit up with counters was against Zhou Yang, who's Chinese.

I think that the best Chinese fighters tend to have better punching form and are more defensively responsible in the pocket than the majority of kickboxers and often win exchanges there. Jiangliang has outfought guys in the pocket. Jiangliang dropped Amrani by sitting down on some good counter punches in the pocket, when Amrani came out swinging. In fact, a lot of top Chinese kickboxers seem like they've been been well schooled on moving their head while punching to catch their opponent's in the middle of exchanges. I actually think a lot of them could benefit from being more aggressive. I think one of the biggest problems Chinese fighters have is that they wait too much, and are too counter oriented. I think they like it when they fight aggressive guys who just want to come to them and exchange in the pocket.

Case in point: here's an example of of Rui and QJL's stablemates fighting a classic aggressive "dutch stylist" and lighting him up with counter punches in the pocket:



Another example of a Chinese fighter getting the better of an exchange in the pocket with a more "classically schooled" kickboxer:



I highly doubt that Xingli is amongst China's best fighters, but I'll throw this in just for fun:

 
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