Ranking the World's National Soccer Leagues from Best to Worst

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  1. Madmick

    Madmick Scholar of Taghaza Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Follow this link to see the 2017 IFFHS full list (it's in a table):
    https://iffhs.de/the-strongest-national-league-of-the-world-spains-primera-division-again/
    The MLS is ranked at #52? Really? I know we aren't Tier 1, but that's hard to believe.

    This is back from 2013, but it's a ranking from some think tank analyst firm called "Sporting Intelligence". The MLS made #7 on this list:


    In fact, math nerd Nate Silver maintains a list of the top clubs (not leagues) in the world using his purely mathematical driven approach to these questions, and 23 of the MLS's teams make it on his list of 460 total clubs across the world (the highest, ironically, being the Canadian club Toronto FC appearing at #212):
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/global-club-soccer-rankings/
    Come on. That's nearly the entire league, and this is just 460 teams. MLS teams compose 5%, or 1/12th, of the list.

    Meanwhile, not that players are restricted to leagues of their national origin, but even using the purely mathematical ELO rankings of national teams in the world, right now, the USA is ranked at #29:
    http://www.eloratings.net/
    That's way down from our peak around #11 or so, IIRC, we might have broken into the top ten at one point in this ranking, but I'm not sure. I know we've gotten as high as #6 on the FIFA list, but that's bullshit.

    In any case, even with male American soccer in such a state of disrepair, our national team itself is nowhere near #52, and despite the relative lack of interest in the sport in the USA, we are so wealthy that I find it impossible to believe we aren't in the Top 20 best-funded/highest-paying leagues in the world. That's what attracts talent.


    What do you soccer nerds think? Is there a worse placement of a league on this list? What stands out to you?
     
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  2. Madmick

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    Also, The Netherlands all the way down at #22?

    Really? Is that accurate? That seems way, way too low for them.
     
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    Yes the dutch league is not what it was. When was the last time you saw a dutch team doing something in the Champions League?
     
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    They are top heavy with two teams.
     
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    The most talented dutch players usually go to England and play there.

    The US at 7 is ridiculous though.
    In Europe alone Spain,England,Germany,Italy,France,Portugal,Belgium,Russia & Turkey have higher quality players in the league.
     
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    I'm a casual observer of the sport, so I don't know the answer to this question without Googling.
    Aha. Was Holland at one time the P4P strongest league in the World or Europe? Like in the 1970's?
    Yeah, but so is #52, the math is clear as day on that.

    Realistically, where should the USA be?
     
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    i watched a cople of mls games over last couple of years, its definetly getting better from what ive seen, even the stadiums were packed. defensed still sucked pretty hard, but i saw maybe 6-7 games...

    i guess somewhere around 15 would be accurate for the mls, for the usmnt currently id say 30-40...
     
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    Premier, la Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue 1, Russian Premier, Eredivisie, Primeira, Jupiler Pro, Turkey, Greece, Argentina, Brasil
    All these are probably better than the MLS so about 15th or so.
     
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    Neck and neck with the ufc.
     
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    Is the MLS more competitive than the Mexican Primera "La Liga X"?
     
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    MLS blows. Bunch of cans play there. Mexican league is definitely way better.
     
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    That second list is ridiculous. MLS ahead of Argentinian, French and Portuguese leagues? What a joke.
     
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    EPL has best parity I believe. Spain La Liga only has two awesome teams or more like Cristiano, and Messi playing in it.

    The mid pack teams in the EPL will probably mop the floor with La Liga's middle of the pack
     
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    I don't know. Look at Sevilla-ManU...Sevilla is only 6th in La Liga, 30pts behind Barca and still it was enough against ManU second in the PL.
     
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    Don't forget that MLS is only been around for 25 years where all the other big leagues and Clubs have 100 or more.
    Soccer being an sport with talents from all around the world you simply can't go to the top in 20 years...specially with the salary cap system.
     
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    Nonsense
     
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    Soccer can be a flukey game
     
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    <{hughesimpress}> its like MMA ratings from a few years back, you know who the real top 3 are, then you just put down anyone, in the order of who came to mind first.


    MLS #7 <36>.........almost a funny as when they claimed their centre half from the mid to late 90's Thomas Dooley was in the top 5 defenders in the world<Dany07>
     
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    that wasn't a fluke, we were horseshit and deserved to get beaten
     
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