Quebec passes bill banning niqab, burka while receiving public services

[bufetadanacara]

Quebec worked hard to develop their culture and I am glad to see them preserve it. I enjoy visiting there and i would hate to see it change. Currently, Montreal is filled with beautiful and well dressed young lovelies and I like it that way.

If they can't keep the invaders out, then at least make them fit in.

 

[IIIIIIII]

 

[SammyPops]

Canada already has laws prohibiting masks. This just seems like a natural extension of that.

I cannot even hit the Burger's Priest with my Richard Nixon mask so fuck Muslims!

What I do not get is when people are triggered by the one that covers only the hair.

 

[irish_thug]

I cannot even hit the Burger's Priest with my Richard Nixon mask so fuck Muslims!

What I do not get is when people are triggered by the one that covers only the hair.

Burger's Priest?
No thanks, I like my burgers to be jesus free.

I lived right down the street from their first location when they first opened, took one look at it and said "nope"

 

[HunterSdVa29]

good

is Quebec non full out SJW like Trudeau and many of the other liberal progressives up there?

 

[irish_thug]

good

is Quebec non full out SJW like Trudeau and many of the other liberal progressives up there?

Quebec is a unique beast unto itself.
Of the 78 seats in Quebec the last election saw 40 go liberal, 16 went to the socialist ndp party, 12 went conservative (double the previous election), and 10 went to the seperatist party (yes, we have one).

So mostly leftie, even though socially they are conservative.

 

[Bald1]

Good. I can't wear a clown mask to the bank, these people should not be allowed to cover their faces either. And the face covering isn't even part of Islam, only the hijab is. Covering your face is cultural like in Saudi Arabia where you're forced to.

If you don't want to abide by the rules go back to your shit hole country.

The hijab isn't even a requirement according to the Quran, dressing modestly is.

 

[Trotsky]

Are there actual classes on this?

I'm just curious where this sudden and urgent need to let so many immigrants into western countries comes from.

Yes, in law school and I assume it has its own disciplines elsewhere.

Anyways, thus isn't new. The US has been admitting hundreds of thousands of immigrants yearly to support the demands of our economy, and there are quotas, lines, and preferences based on country of origin. Relatively few persons from the middle east actually try to come here. The biggest non-employer sponsored waiting periods by far are for India and Mexico.

Germany took in Syrians for one of the same reasons: aging population and low birth rates.

 

[Trotsky]

I always wonder what a champagne socialist like you would do if you actually had to meet face to face with the working class people you pretend to care for. You are a typical leftist who hates the people you claim to champion. You do understand that legitimate working class hero wants nothing to do with communism or leftist ideology?

I grew up very poor. As I've divulged here before, East St. Louis was once my home until the age of 12.

Regardless, I think I've sufficiently described to you what a pathetic person you are, so suffice to say I could care less about your opinion. Also the "legitimate working class hero" doesn't know what socialism is, but for the propaganda of the rich (who have embedded narratives using the same xenophobia and capitalizing on the same ignorant fears and insecurities that drive your otherwise vapid and contradictory policy preferences).

 

[Orgasmo]

The Québécois can be such wonderful progressives in many ways but Islamophobia guided legislation like this will never be ok. They're telling all little Muslim boys and girls that their culture is inferior and not to be expressed in public

Their culture is inferior and they shouldn't have mask on while being part of the public service. They worship a cult which promotes a genocidal pedophile as the perfect human being. If that's not inferiority, I don't know what is.

 

[Harry Stewart]

Their culture is inferior and they shouldn't have mask on while being part of the public service. They worship a cult which promotes a genocidal pedophile as the perfect human being. If that's not inferiority, I don't know what is.

Living in fear of a woman in a veil, perhaps?

 

[Orgasmo]

Living in fear of a woman in a veil, perhaps?

On the contrary, the fear comes from those that feel the need to cover their faces. Fear of being identified?

 

[manlyseaeagle]

I always wonder what a champagne socialist like you would do if you actually had to meet face to face with the working class people you pretend to care for. You are a typical leftist who hates the people you claim to champion. You do understand that legitimate working class hero wants nothing to do with communism or leftist ideology?

I know a few Russians and Polish who lived through communism and would not want to go back to that and also met a Cuban girl who put some white middle class university students who were had the solidarity for Castro banner out and she wiped the floor with them.

 

[Grenz]

This law is shit, it's a lukewarm piece of legislation that hides behind 'religious neutrality' and doesn't get at the heart of the issue and will not be enforced:

- You really think Montreal bus drivers are going to enforce this? Laughable, all they care about is getting through the insane traffic, and they've publicly stated they don't want to be responsible for this

- You really think veiled women will be turned away at ERs if they walk in there with significant health problems? Yea, good luck with that...

- The point about veiled women working in government offices is moot; if you're wearing a full on face mask as part of your religion, there's an overwhelming chance you don't work (that's a man's role)

This isn't about security or communication. Those might be secondary or tertiary issues, but that's not really what we're concerned about here and everybody knows it. Primarily, the issue is this: walking around in a face mask and burlap sack isn't in line with our values. It's oppressive, backwards, rooted not even in the Koran, but in the strictest and most conservative Islamist cultures who are so uncomfortable with femininity that they feel the need to cover up all signs of it outside of the private home. This adds no value to our society whatsoever, on the contrary, normalizing this is dangerous.

To borrow the German Interior Minister's phrasing "We are an open society. We show our face. We are not Burka." Take a stand. We're a secular society. Go ahead and dress like a ninja in your own home if you think it pleases your god. But this has no place in our public space. If you're going to legislate against this, go for a full on ban in public spaces (and the time has now come where it's evidently necessary: 5 years ago, I never saw any veiled women here in Montreal. Now, I see them several times a week, and I don't even get out much.) Once you do that, you'll have a fight on your hands. You'll have the apologists who'll try to argue that nobody is forcing the veil or the burka on women and that it's some form of empowerment (the same people will argue that wearing mini skirts falls in the same category, ignoring the fact that women who would choose to wear even a skirt where the knees are showing would be stoned to death in societies where the burka is common). On the other side you'll have sane people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali telling you that this is part of the intensely conservative, oppressive and male dominant culture of Islamism.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Trudeau is being criticized for being silent on this issue after he so vehemently defended the Burka while he was running for PM. He does not want to ruffle feathers in Quebec because losing the province's voters will likely cost him the election.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

It looks like Trudeau changed his mind about remaining silent about Quebec's decision on Burkas. He is probably hoping this will take some heat away from how poorly the liberals are handling the new cash grab... er... tax proposals.

Trudeau says federal government will 'look carefully' at implications of Bill 62

Government shouldn't 'tell a woman what she should or shouldn't be wearing,' says Trudeau

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

This law is shit, it's a lukewarm piece of legislation that hides behind 'religious neutrality' and doesn't get at the heart of the issue and will not be enforced:

- You really think Montreal bus drivers are going to enforce this? Laughable, all they care about is getting through the insane traffic, and they've publicly stated they don't want to be responsible for this

- You really think veiled women will be turned away at ERs if they walk in there with significant health problems? Yea, good luck with that...

- The point about veiled women working in government offices is moot; if you're wearing a full on face mask as part of your religion, there's an overwhelming chance you don't work (that's a man's role)

This isn't about security or communication. Those might be secondary or tertiary issues, but that's not really what we're concerned about here and everybody knows it. Primarily, the issue is this: walking around in a face mask and burlap sack isn't in line with our values. It's oppressive, backwards, rooted not even in the Koran, but in the strictest and most conservative Islamist cultures who are so uncomfortable with femininity that they feel the need to cover up all signs of it outside of the private home. This adds no value to our society whatsoever, on the contrary, normalizing this is dangerous.

To borrow the German Interior Minister's phrasing "We are an open society. We show our face. We are not Burka." Take a stand. We're a secular society. Go ahead and dress like a ninja in your own home if you think it pleases your god. But this has no place in our public space. If you're going to legislate against this, go for a full on ban in public spaces (and the time has now come where it's evidently necessary: 5 years ago, I never saw any veiled women here in Montreal. Now, I see them several times a week, and I don't even get out much.) Once you do that, you'll have a fight on your hands. You'll have the apologists who'll try to argue that nobody is forcing the veil or the burka on women and that it's some form of empowerment (the same people will argue that wearing mini skirts falls in the same category, ignoring the fact that women who would choose to wear even a skirt where the knees are showing would be stoned to death in societies where the burka is common). On the other side you'll have sane people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali telling you that this is part of the intensely conservative, oppressive and male dominant culture of Islamism.

Maybe it doesn't get at the heart of the problem but I'll gladly take a bit by bit approach to claiming back a bit of sanity when it come to bending over to immigrants in the West.

Would you prefer we keep on philosophising for years about the heart of the issue and not do anything ?

These ninjas don't have a place in Western society. I don't really care how you go on and explain it to them.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Government shouldn't 'tell a woman what she should or shouldn't be wearing,' says Trudeau

Lol at that quote. Like "hey let's try to make a PC-slogan out of this". Even if completely fallacious, for obvious reaons.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Quebec is a unique beast unto itself.
Of the 78 seats in Quebec the last election saw 40 go liberal, 16 went to the socialist ndp party, 12 went conservative (double the previous election), and 10 went to the seperatist party (yes, we have one).

So mostly leftie, even though socially they are conservative.

What ? Québec is socially conservative ?

 

[splendica]

Meh. Hijabs are plenty identifiable.

Other than that, people are fitting into their host culture.