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Mod Note: Holocaust denial has no place on this forum.
Lol, It's not. Come on man. The Red Cross calls what Viva just said propaganda.
Mod Note: Holocaust denial has no place on this forum.
Ok Putin.
This is a letter that is a compiled number of confirmed deaths at all of Germany's camps. The argument against this document is that it only lists "confirmed" deaths. Which is implying that over 5 million deaths somehow slipped under the radar. Which is an absurd notion.
"The agency states that the figures used are "the number of deaths recorded by the International Tracing Service on the basis of documents found when the camps were closed",[85][87] and accordingly bear no relation to the total death tolls, since the Nazis destroyed much documentation, and that many deaths occurred in camps where prisoners were generally not registered.[85][87] The ICRC considers this misrepresentation as "propaganda"
There are Nazis everywhere, from Mexico to Israel to Mongolia. In some places their presence is limited to a few guys (Israel) and other places it is a fetish and other places Nazi iconography is just co-opted to convey Nationalism.I have no clue why he would do this. It is weird though how many Nazis are in Russia considering what Nazis did to Russians. Well I guess Americans and other countries were enemies too and we have nazis but the Nazis really went to town on Russia. Maybe he sees nazis as a threat to power and russian unity. Or maybe I am overthinking it.
No, that is not the argument. The Red Cross made this very clear, it's 100% propaganda by holocaust deniers.
No, that is not the argument. The Red Cross made this very clear, it's 100% propaganda by holocaust deniers.
So let me get this straight, actual documented deaths take a backseat to speculative claims based on nothing? They can claim these numbers are misrepresented but the fact that the only documented death tolls all seem to reflect the same number says something. And operating under the basis of speculation does nothing but further push wonky narrative's free of facts.
The documented number that you are using was never meant to reflect the total death toll. Holocaust deniers are taking that number out of context, and when the actual organization responsible for the number explains that it means nothing, the Holocaust deniers claim conspiracy. The publication that initially published that number even says it only applied to German citizens who were killed, not foreigners.
So nobody, not the Red Cross, no publication, nobody ever claimed that those were total death toll numbers. It is just a number being taken out of context by conspiracy theorists (holocaust deniers) to push an agenda.
Explain yourself @Falconkick
And I suppose the World Almanac are just Nazi's spreading more propaganda?
Only in 1949 are postwar estimates employed, the figures given are for estimates made in 1948. A year or two lag seems to be common for various other population estimates given by the World Almanac. The difference between the 1938 and 1948 figures is thus 4,481,491. In 1949, however, the World Almanac gives a revised 1939 population of 16,643,120 giving a difference of between 1938 and 1947 of 5,376,520. Where the extra population between 1938 and 1939 came from is not cited, though one might speculate that it was based upon the Nazi estimates made in 1942 for the Wannsee Conference. Despite the apparent exactness of the numbers listed, the World Almanac warns that all numbers listed are estimates.[94]
Other sources confirm similar numbers—and earlier than the 1949 World Almanac—for the Jewish population before and after the war. The 1932 American Jewish Yearbook estimate the total number of Jews in the world at 15,192,218, of whom 9,418,248 resided in Europe. However, the 1947 yearbook states: "Estimates of the world Jewish population have been assembled by the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee (except for the United States and Canada) and are probably the most authentic available at the present time. The figures reveal that the total Jewish population of the world has decreased by one-third from about 16,600,000 in 1939 to about 11,000,000 in 1946 as the result of the annihilation by the Nazis of more than five and a half million European Jews. In Europe only an estimated 3,642,000 remain of the total Jewish pre-war population of approximately 9,740,000." These numbers are also consistent with the findings of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, Appendix III, in 1946.
Correct. It's similar to the lost nuance of "climate change denier"...nobody denies that the climate is changing or is affected by humans.Where does one draw the line at denial? Don't most "deniers" not necessarily deny that it happened, but just speculate that the magnitude of it is exaggerated?