Punk compares Trump to KKK boss: "A racist is a racist"

Yes. You are very careful in what you say. Like to make sure that you say nobody "relevant" calls Trump and his supporters racist Nazis. That way, when confronted with evidence of thousands of people doing so, you can just declare all those people "irrelevant" and pretend in your own mind that you are right, when you are proven completely wrong by the facts.

I do not deny being defensive. When you have extreme left globalist and their fake news consorts with no values or morals constantly attacking conservative and nationalistic people nonstop in their eternal pursuit to evilly rule the entire planet and reign over all people residing here (sounds a lot like "actual" Nazis), you better be damn good at being defensive.

There is no difference in calling or insinuating that someone a Nazi or calling them an "actual" Nazi. Nazi means Nazi, no matter how much BS you spew or how you try to spin it. I'm not letting anyone get away with calling me a Nazi, and then saying "I didn't mean and you are an ACTUAL Nazi". That's a big steaming pile of horse shit. You think I could call a black man a "N-word" or compare him to a "N-word" and get away with saying "well, I did not mean an actual N-word". That argument is completely FUCKING STUPID and I'm delighted to tell you so in no uncertain terms.

Mark it down, you actually said something smart and true:
"it's just an attempt to disparage him on a moral basis."
That's exactly been my point all along. That's exactly what the fake news does. They spew lies and make unproven claims to disparage anyone who does not believe in their globalist religion. They will stop at nothing with no moral limits to what they will say or do in order bring down anyone, just to advance their sick twisted political agenda.

I am willing to call Jihad Barry that name because he earned it as I have previously proven. I take offense to others calling names that have been made up in an attempted political assassination based in no truth or facts(AKA FAKE NEWS). After all this, I am still waiting for one shred of verified evidence that Trump is a racist. That is the four most repeated words in America and yet not one single person has been able to prove it.


"moronic scare propaganda"
Increased crime rates. Increasing terrorist attacks. Rape gangs. Acid attacks. Higher murder rates. No go zones.
I guess when its happening to others it's "moronic scare propaganda". Once it happens to you or someone you love, it will then be real. The reason electing someone like Trump in Europe will not help is because your true leaders are no longer elected. Your elected leaders are beholden to your unelected rulers at the EU.

"scare the gullible of how the US is on the brink of complete disaster."
I don't about "disaster". However, make no mistake. Americans are in the fight of our lives to preserve and protect our beloved US Constitution that declares our right to be a sovereign nation and maintains the rights and liberties we believe to be inalienable. Our freedom is under constant attack by those who desire to be our masters. Anyone who believes otherwise is the gullible.

The US does have many areas that are high in crime. Many of those areas are high in illegal immigration, other areas have large numbers of black on black crime, and many areas that have very high rates of drug use. We have had leaders in America who have done nothing and ignored these problems for decades, looking the other way while things have gotten worse and worse over time. Crime has also gotten worse in the US because of "leaders" who have lines their own pockets to enact policies that send our jobs outside the US. We now have a leader who is trying to do something about these long time problems and he is a "racist" and a "Nazi" for doing so.

No, painting your views of something in a moral light by making a questionable comparison to what happened in Nazi Germany is not calling someone a Nazi. If you actually have straight A students for children they can hopefully teach you how language works since you seem to have a very poor grasp of nuance. Byt the same token it's not the same when people just use the word Nazi as a general derogatory term to incite emotion rather than meaning it for what it says, which goes the same for the other side when the right throw around the words "communist", "socialist", etc when it's not actually applicable, which just means that they are just trying to insult rather than actually make a point. As I've reminded you more than once, I've never claimed that doesn't happen and I've condemned such people as idiots.

No, you haven't made the same point since you're trying to misrepresent what's being said. That politicians disparage others (and their followers following suit) is pretty old news, especially in the US where it's generally done the worst in the west. There were lots of such attempts against Obama, against Bush, and so on. So either you take part in it yourself, or you criticize it.

It's moronic scare propaganda since we first have had things said that's been plain wrong, and because the US has been strong on the subject despite being worse. No one has denied that there's been problems, but that doesn't make it fine to be dishonest and try to make the problems larger than they are. Having a crime happen to someone you know doesn't change the situation one single bit. It just makes it more likely that you draw an irrational conclusion due to being in an emotional state.

Those that desire to be your masters already are. The US has a wealth distribution that equals that of the feudal societies in medieval Europe. I'm not making a colorful exaggeration either, it's literally the case as last I saw 10% owned 86% of all the wealth (it could be higher now as it's been increasing and this was probably 3 years ago). Control the wealth and you control the people, even though it's not quite as complete as it's still a democracy compared to a feudal society. I don't foresee any revolution coming either, despite that a study showed that both Republican and Democrat voters had the same views on where they thought the wealth distribution was (both thought it was much more even than it is) and where it should be (more even than they thought it was and much more even than it actually is).

Pointing out that there are certain areas in the US that have higher crime is pretty pointless since that's the case in all nations, so that is not a factor that skews any comparisons. The EU is also far less isolated than the US.
 
No, painting your views of something in a moral light by making a questionable comparison to what happened in Nazi Germany is not calling someone a Nazi. If you actually have straight A students for children they can hopefully teach you how language works since you seem to have a very poor grasp of nuance. Byt the same token it's not the same when people just use the word Nazi as a general derogatory term to incite emotion rather than meaning it for what it says, which goes the same for the other side when the right throw around the words "communist", "socialist", etc when it's not actually applicable, which just means that they are just trying to insult rather than actually make a point. As I've reminded you more than once, I've never claimed that doesn't happen and I've condemned such people as idiots.

No, you haven't made the same point since you're trying to misrepresent what's being said. That politicians disparage others (and their followers following suit) is pretty old news, especially in the US where it's generally done the worst in the west. There were lots of such attempts against Obama, against Bush, and so on. So either you take part in it yourself, or you criticize it.

It's moronic scare propaganda since we first have had things said that's been plain wrong, and because the US has been strong on the subject despite being worse. No one has denied that there's been problems, but that doesn't make it fine to be dishonest and try to make the problems larger than they are. Having a crime happen to someone you know doesn't change the situation one single bit. It just makes it more likely that you draw an irrational conclusion due to being in an emotional state.

Those that desire to be your masters already are. The US has a wealth distribution that equals that of the feudal societies in medieval Europe. I'm not making a colorful exaggeration either, it's literally the case as last I saw 10% owned 86% of all the wealth (it could be higher now as it's been increasing and this was probably 3 years ago). Control the wealth and you control the people, even though it's not quite as complete as it's still a democracy compared to a feudal society. I don't foresee any revolution coming either, despite that a study showed that both Republican and Democrat voters had the same views on where they thought the wealth distribution was (both thought it was much more even than it is) and where it should be (more even than they thought it was and much more even than it actually is).

Pointing out that there are certain areas in the US that have higher crime is pretty pointless since that's the case in all nations, so that is not a factor that skews any comparisons. The EU is also far less isolated than the US.

Not even going to talk about your first paragraph. I have proved that all to be complete garbage already. You just try to play word games and take the actual words people say, and try to give them a different meaning to make yourself feel better, and call it "nuance". Totally fucking stupid on all points.

MSNBC video: "Its a given that Trump is inherently evil"
https://www.infowars.com/voting-for-trump-makes-you-a-nazi/

Trying to compare the treatment of Trump by the media to other Presidents shows how completely lost and unknowing you are. No President in American history has received anywhere near the negative press Trump has. That's because your statement of "Those that desire to be your masters already are." is no longer true. Its past tense. Formerly, all politicians were beholden to them by taking their campaign contributions (AKA: Bribes). Donald Trump refused their money from day one and will not be bought to sell out the American people to these puppet masters. That's why he is on the receiving end of so many fake news stories and is under constant attack by the deep state and their Operation Mockingbird allies. If Trump would have just taken their money and done what he was told like the rest of them, he would not be a Nazi, a racist, and inherently EVIL. Because he fights for the American people, the well being of our national sovereignty, and goes against the globalist agenda of destroying national borders, he must be destroyed by any means and at all costs.
We even have American media hoping for harm to America and its people, as long as it accomplishes the goal of getting rid of Trump.
Bill Maher Begs for a Recession to Get Rid of Donald Trump:
http://www.newsweek.com/bill-maher-donald-trump-economy-recession-967984

BTW, much of the "moronic scare propaganda" does not come from the US. It comes from the people living with horrible decisions and globalist policies in Europe.
Happy Swedish day, Sweddie.



https://www.infowars.com/farmer-att...olors-in-support-of-childhood-cancer-charity/
 
There's a 30 page thread on CM punks political opinions.
 
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Not even going to talk about your first paragraph. I have proved that all to be complete garbage already. You just try to play word games and take the actual words people say, and try to give them a different meaning to make yourself feel better, and call it "nuance". Totally fucking stupid on all points.

MSNBC video: "Its a given that Trump is inherently evil"
https://www.infowars.com/voting-for-trump-makes-you-a-nazi/

Trying to compare the treatment of Trump by the media to other Presidents shows how completely lost and unknowing you are. No President in American history has received anywhere near the negative press Trump has. That's because your statement of "Those that desire to be your masters already are." is no longer true. Its past tense. Formerly, all politicians were beholden to them by taking their campaign contributions (AKA: Bribes). Donald Trump refused their money from day one and will not be bought to sell out the American people to these puppet masters. That's why he is on the receiving end of so many fake news stories and is under constant attack by the deep state and their Operation Mockingbird allies. If Trump would have just taken their money and done what he was told like the rest of them, he would not be a Nazi, a racist, and inherently EVIL. Because he fights for the American people, the well being of our national sovereignty, and goes against the globalist agenda of destroying national borders, he must be destroyed by any means and at all costs.
We even have American media hoping for harm to America and its people, as long as it accomplishes the goal of getting rid of Trump.
Bill Maher Begs for a Recession to Get Rid of Donald Trump:
http://www.newsweek.com/bill-maher-donald-trump-economy-recession-967984

BTW, much of the "moronic scare propaganda" does not come from the US. It comes from the people living with horrible decisions and globalist policies in Europe.
Happy Swedish day, Sweddie.



https://www.infowars.com/farmer-att...olors-in-support-of-childhood-cancer-charity/


No, it's just you that have no idea how to read what's actually there instead of making things up. It explains why you are so uneducated about the things you talk about though, not even having care enough to look up terrorism in a country when talking about it.

Trump certainly does get a lot of negative press, but you forget to factor in that you're extremely partisan and not very good at judging sources, which means that you'll be more oblivious to the crap that comes from the right. You did a "Trump" yourself and said that you only knew what you've heard and what you read, regarding information about Sweden. That's called lacking source criticism. You're probably a victim of what the Computational Propaganda Project found. An Oxford University (so no ties to any US political party) project that showed that the most junk news in the US on social media etc comes from the right. People like you, who buy what they like to hear and only criticize what they don't like, fall easy pray for such things. Trump also has himself to blame for a good part when it comes to slanderous media as he created a new climate where he would even stand in political debates and talk about how his opponents were ugly. He helped make the political climate veer even more into more ad hominem attacks and being less serious, but of course he still plays the sad victim when anyone says something to him, even though he's said similar things to others.

Moronic scare propaganda comes from many places (I've debunked quite a lot of information about Sweden with definitive facts on this board) and since you're apparently not very good at source criticism (despite your strong claim to the contrary earlier in the discussion) you seem to fall for it. The US does seem special though since I don't remember any other western nation that has had mainstream media completely fabricate things on the level where Fox paraded a fake government advisor for their agenda. Something Trump of course bought since he's saying the same things as Fox is saying, and of course he has recanted nothing of all the things that people have factually proven to be false.

Trump is one of your masters, make no mistake about that. Regardless of what anyone thinks of what he does for the country he has undoubtedly served the rich the most this far regarding financial issues, and he's also sold out people's rights on the Internet to the corporations both through allowing the corporations to sell your information, and also by selling off net neutrality and allowing corporations to control the availability of content. He's certainly not someone that stands with the people against the large interests, which is of course because he's invested in the large interests. He tries to make people think that he's with them against the corporations when he says that they must manufacture in the US, yet all his and his family's manufacturing businesses are all in cheap labor countries. Yet somehow he just gets a way with that with barely any criticism from his followers.

So while there's certainly plenty of cases where media and people are being unfair to him we can't just shut our eyes to all the times media and people are unfair for him as well. That's where the victim mentality comes in. I have no problem with criticizing bad decisions, broken promises or hypocrisy from the politicians I've voted for, so I don't have to play a victim when they do get criticized as I'm not overly partisan.
 
David Duke actually sounds like a Social Justice Warrior

Given his frequent trips to Iran, and pro-Palestine anti-Israel agenda

No?

By chance during a google image search I saw that one of the big Holocaust museums in Israel was literally built right next to where Israel massacred thousands of Arabs and forced them out their village.

The image was from none other by David Duke. Of course I fact checked it and it was true.
 
David Duke has been advocating NO WARS FOR ISRAEL for decades now. This technically makes him an anti-war advocate. If you youtube his name, do you find racist tirades against Black people? Nope.

My point is while he is obviously a White nationalist he is advocating GOOD THINGS.


David Duke in Syria in 2010 before this conflict began these bigots were all aware what was going to happen.

 
No, it's just you that have no idea how to read what's actually there instead of making things up. It explains why you are so uneducated about the things you talk about though, not even having care enough to look up terrorism in a country when talking about it.

Trump certainly does get a lot of negative press, but you forget to factor in that you're extremely partisan and not very good at judging sources, which means that you'll be more oblivious to the crap that comes from the right. You did a "Trump" yourself and said that you only knew what you've heard and what you read, regarding information about Sweden. That's called lacking source criticism. You're probably a victim of what the Computational Propaganda Project found. An Oxford University (so no ties to any US political party) project that showed that the most junk news in the US on social media etc comes from the right. People like you, who buy what they like to hear and only criticize what they don't like, fall easy pray for such things. Trump also has himself to blame for a good part when it comes to slanderous media as he created a new climate where he would even stand in political debates and talk about how his opponents were ugly. He helped make the political climate veer even more into more ad hominem attacks and being less serious, but of course he still plays the sad victim when anyone says something to him, even though he's said similar things to others.

Moronic scare propaganda comes from many places (I've debunked quite a lot of information about Sweden with definitive facts on this board) and since you're apparently not very good at source criticism (despite your strong claim to the contrary earlier in the discussion) you seem to fall for it. The US does seem special though since I don't remember any other western nation that has had mainstream media completely fabricate things on the level where Fox paraded a fake government advisor for their agenda. Something Trump of course bought since he's saying the same things as Fox is saying, and of course he has recanted nothing of all the things that people have factually proven to be false.

Trump is one of your masters, make no mistake about that. Regardless of what anyone thinks of what he does for the country he has undoubtedly served the rich the most this far regarding financial issues, and he's also sold out people's rights on the Internet to the corporations both through allowing the corporations to sell your information, and also by selling off net neutrality and allowing corporations to control the availability of content. He's certainly not someone that stands with the people against the large interests, which is of course because he's invested in the large interests. He tries to make people think that he's with them against the corporations when he says that they must manufacture in the US, yet all his and his family's manufacturing businesses are all in cheap labor countries. Yet somehow he just gets a way with that with barely any criticism from his followers.

So while there's certainly plenty of cases where media and people are being unfair to him we can't just shut our eyes to all the times media and people are unfair for him as well. That's where the victim mentality comes in. I have no problem with criticizing bad decisions, broken promises or hypocrisy from the politicians I've voted for, so I don't have to play a victim when they do get criticized as I'm not overly partisan.

Oh, I read just fine. "Nazi" is "Nazi" and it means "Nazi". It does not mean almost Nazi. It does not mean "not actual Nazi". Your entire argument that when the fake news says "Nazi" they don't mean "actual Nazi," is fucking stupid and ignorant. Its so fucking stupid and ignorant, its not even worth wasting time talking about.

I stand by my comments and terrorism is more of a threat to Europeans than ever because of the migration of Islamic extremism as proven by FACTS. Not that you know what "facts" are or what the word even means. I have posted time and time again references and "FACTS" that prove exactly what I am saying. I still have yet to see you do one second of research or try to back up any of the ignorant BS you say. Not only do you think you are the "god of relevancy" and get to decide who or what is relevant, but you also think you are Noah Webster and get to define and redefine the meanings of words in order to make them fit inside your agenda. That's not how it works. Words have actual meanings and actually mean what they mean. Maybe that's why you don't comprehend what you read. You store useless made up meanings to words in your head, which obviously has very limited space.

How dare you attack my judge of sources? You, who tows the line of the state controlled western MSM. Then, you dare quote Oxford university and falsely claim they have no political bias. By saying those words, you just proved every single thing I ever said and proved beyond any shadow of doubt that you unarguably and certainly are, proven to be, right in front of the eyes of entire world, one dumb fuck. To suggest that any modern western university has no bias or agenda shows a complete disconnect from reality. You live inside a fantasy world created in your own mind where you are king and everyone else is just a subject. The legend in your own mind grows each passing day, as well as your arrogance and ignorance, right along with your stupidity.

Moronic scare propaganda does come from many different places. Like:
https://www.infowars.com/video-maher-doubles-down-on-wishing-for-crashed-economy/
You have not debunked shit. You have made statements not backed up by any facts nor references. You continue to bring up some story on Fox, whom I have already declared fake news. You conveniently ignore hundreds of stories that have been proven false and even had to be retracted time and time again by your left wing fake media heroes, just to harp on one Fox story.

Once again you are completely mistaken, uninformed and brainwashed. Trump is not a puppet master. Trump is the very one cutting the strings of the puppet masters. You are completely misinformed by the fake news you worship. Trumps tax plan has increased income for the working class immediately as shown by the raises and bonuses enacted by employers instantly after the tax plan passed. Trump's economy has been beneficial to working class Americans at every turn. My business grew in sales from the day after election day, and has grown every day since. I did not see any growth, nor did I get one single income increase in 8 years of Jihad Barry, nor did my employees. US GNP is at 4.7% growth right now after Jihad Barry declared "GNP growth will never again be above 3% in the US, no matter what anyone does." Trump does not embrace policies of harming rich people because rich people are where jobs come from for working class people like me. Lowest unemployment in 40 years. Lowest black unemployment EVER!!!!!!!! EVER!!!!!Trump's business's manufacture products outside the US because the failed policies of stupid American globalist politicians made it impossible for any US business to succeed and not do so. That is exactly why Trump is changing these things so that US business's can actually compete in the market and make their goods in the US. You would not know these things watching the fake news from welfare state Sweden. You would know the hardships my hard working family, friends, and neighbors have been through in losing jobs and seeing factory after factory close and move to Mexico or China in search of cheap labor and the ability to use the US marketplace free from tariffs because of bogus bribed free trade policies. You would not see any of those things watching the fake news from welfare state Sweden.

I am not as partisan as you claim and I can criticize Trump when he makes mistakes. I am very much on record criticizing Trump's foreign policies many times. I criticized his air strikes in Syria both times. He caved into the deep state and bought the fake news on chemical weapons. I have criticized his policies of being too pro Israel and not backing the Palestinians enough. I even praised Jihad Barry for being the first US President to criticize Israel over their never ending settlements on Palestinian land. It amounts to genoside like we see in US history with the treatment of Native Americans. However, being the first American politician to not take bribes and to actually show support and want policies that help US citizens and the US working class for the first time in my entire lifetime, I cannot find fault in Trump's domestic agenda. In this area, he is very welcome breath of fresh air. Its completely away from the norm for any US leader to care about US citizens and want to put Americans first. Its common in other countries, but not here. It's about god damn time too, I might add.

Broken promises from politicians? Trump is the first politician in American to actually attempt to keep the promises he made while campaigning. While he's been able to keep a higher number of promises than others in the past just on shear effort, he is constantly at war battling Dems, establishment Reps, the fake news, and the deep state. This has made keeping some promises very difficult but Trump works hard to overcome the failed policies and world domination goals of these globalist hacks every single day. Because you are a fake news junkie, you are not even aware of Trump's many accomplishments because the fake news chooses not to cover them. I am sure you will be asking me for the list, because you are a lazy bastard who cannot research anything for yourself, so I will get ready.

A real smart Trump hater on CNN watch video:
https://www.infowars.com/watch-tom-arnold-trainwreck-on-cnn-as-cohen-denies-trump-take-down-plan/
 
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Oh, I read just fine. "Nazi" is "Nazi" and it means "Nazi". It does not mean almost Nazi. It does not mean "not actual Nazi". Your entire argument that when the fake news says "Nazi" they don't mean "actual Nazi," is fucking stupid and ignorant. Its so fucking stupid and ignorant, its not even worth wasting time talking about.

I stand by my comments and terrorism is more of a threat to Europeans than ever because of the migration of Islamic extremism as proven by FACTS. Not that you know what "facts" are or what the word even means. I have posted time and time again references and "FACTS" that prove exactly what I am saying. I still have yet to see you do one second of research or try to back up any of the ignorant BS you say. Not only do you think you are the "god of relevancy" and get to decide who or what is relevant, but you also think you are Noah Webster and get to define and redefine the meanings of words in order to make them fit inside your agenda. That's not how it works. Words have actual meanings and actually mean what they mean. Maybe that's why you don't comprehend what you read. You store useless made up meanings to words in your head, which obviously has very limited space.

How dare you attack my judge of sources? You, who tows the line of the state controlled western MSM. Then, you dare quote Oxford university and falsely claim they have no political bias. By saying those words, you just proved every single thing I ever said and proved beyond any shadow of doubt that you unarguably and certainly are, proven to be, right in front of the eyes of entire world, one dumb fuck. To suggest that any modern western university has no bias or agenda shows a complete disconnect from reality. You live inside a fantasy world created in your own mind where you are king and everyone else is just a subject. The legend in your own mind grows each passing day, as well as your arrogance and ignorance, right along with your stupidity.

Moronic scare propaganda does come from many different places. Like:
https://www.infowars.com/video-maher-doubles-down-on-wishing-for-crashed-economy/
You have not debunked shit. You have made statements not backed up by any facts nor references. You continue to bring up some story on Fox, whom I have already declared fake news. You conveniently ignore hundreds of stories that have been proven false and even had to be retracted time and time again by your left wing fake media heroes, just to harp on one Fox story.

Once again you are completely mistaken, uninformed and brainwashed. Trump is not a puppet master. Trump is the very one cutting the strings of the puppet masters. You are completely misinformed by the fake news you worship. Trumps tax plan has increased income for the working class immediately as shown by the raises and bonuses enacted by employers instantly after the tax plan passed. Trump's economy has been beneficial to working class Americans at every turn. My business grew in sales from the day after election day, and has grown every day since. I did not see any growth, nor did I get one single income increase in 8 years of Jihad Barry, nor did my employees. US GNP is at 4.7% growth right now after Jihad Barry declared "GNP growth will never again be above 3% in the US, no matter what anyone does." Trump does not embrace policies of harming rich people because rich people are where jobs come from for working class people like me. Lowest unemployment in 40 years. Lowest black unemployment EVER!!!!!!!! EVER!!!!!Trump's business's manufacture products outside the US because the failed policies of stupid American globalist politicians made it impossible for any US business to succeed and not do so. That is exactly why Trump is changing these things so that US business's can actually compete in the market and make their goods in the US. You would not know these things watching the fake news from welfare state Sweden. You would know the hardships my hard working family, friends, and neighbors have been through in losing jobs and seeing factory after factory close and move to Mexico or China in search of cheap labor and the ability to use the US marketplace free from tariffs because of bogus bribed free trade policies. You would not see any of those things watching the fake news from welfare state Sweden.

I am not as partisan as you claim and I can criticize Trump when he makes mistakes. I am very much on record criticizing Trump's foreign policies many times. I criticized his air strikes in Syria both times. He caved into the deep state and bought the fake news on chemical weapons. I have criticized his policies of being too pro Israel and not backing the Palestinians enough. I even praised Jihad Barry for being the first US President to criticize Israel over their never ending settlements on Palestinian land. It amounts to genoside like we see in US history with the treatment of Native Americans. However, being the first American politician to not take bribes and to actually show support and want policies that help US citizens and the US working class for the first time in my entire lifetime, I cannot find fault in Trump's domestic agenda. In this area, he is very welcome breath of fresh air. Its completely away from the norm for any US leader to care about US citizens and want to put Americans first. Its common in other countries, but not here. It's about god damn time too, I might add.

Broken promises from politicians? Trump is the first politician in American to actually attempt to keep the promises he made while campaigning. While he's been able to keep a higher number of promises than others in the past just on shear effort, he is constantly at war battling Dems, establishment Reps, the fake news, and the deep state. This has made keeping some promises very difficult but Trump works hard to overcome the failed policies and world domination goals of these globalist hacks every single day. Because you are a fake news junkie, you are not even aware of Trump's many accomplishments because the fake news chooses not to cover them. I am sure you will be asking me for the list, because you are a lazy bastard who cannot research anything for yourself, so I will get ready.

A real smart Trump hater on CNN watch video:
https://www.infowars.com/watch-tom-arnold-trainwreck-on-cnn-as-cohen-denies-trump-take-down-plan/

You're trying to pass off someone saying that the Nazi's separated parents and children as saying that Trump is a Nazi. That's just not the case, nor is it the case that the political left has established that Trump follows National Socialism. Of course this time around you also proved that you're so bad at reading that when I made a point about Trump buying a faked news segment you took it as that I was saying that you believed it. Or are you so partisan that you have trouble separating your identity from Trump's?

That wasn't your comment, don't make bold faced lies. You said that terror was never a concern in Sweden before, which is completely false and further shows that you don't know what you're talking about. So don't try to talk about facts since you were dead wrong. I pointed to a study that's done after scientific methods and that can be read in it's entirety and therefor isn't hiding anything, while you're just burping opinions and try to pass them off as facts. If you actually had something relevant to say you would have criticized something in the study, but you probably can't read that much text, let alone comprehend it.

Did you seriously say "how dare you attack my judge of sources"? Haha, that was the funniest you've been this far. Overly emotional and grammatically incorrect. And you clearly absolutely suck at judging sources as you think that terrorism has never been a concern in Sweden before and excused yourself with that it's what you've heard and read. That's where a fool just blindly buys it, and the person that understands source criticism would have looked up and saw the obvious that it's of course happened before.

You continue to prove that you don't understand how to listen to someone instead of just assuming what that person thinks. Exactly how is someone that's saying that you must be adept at source criticism when reading mainstream media towing the mainstream media line? That's of course not the case but you're so partisan that you're blind to what's actually being said and like a rabid dog, frothing at the mouth, you jump at the straw men you've set up. Someone that's intelligent and critically examine news and sources can watch anything and judge whether it's believable or not. To just categorically dismiss or buy everything from a certain group is for the sheep.

Trump is definitely playing you, that's clear. The tax cut mainly benefited the rich in the way it was done, and the bonuses reported were hilariously low compared to what the companies saved. A perfect example where someone is dazzled by minor things, so he doesn't know when actually important things happen, like the Internet rights being sold out and that the wealth gap is increasing. His tax policies are actually more catered to the rich than the most right leaning party in Sweden. Not that I'm saying that he shouldn't do that, as I'm a high income earner myself and benefit from such policies much more than the average worker (of course his policies don't affect me, but the general idea of them can be applied here as well), but it's pretty funny when the average Joe think they really benefit from getting some spare change when they don't look at the entire picture. Trump has also seemingly entirely given up on fixing the carried interest loophole, which he himself admitted was so beneficial to people like him and very unfair to American workers.

Personally I'm surprised that Americans aren't calling for things like at a least decent amount of guaranteed paid vacation.

And if it's impossible to manufacture in the US, how come many other companies to that? Trump is just being a hypocrite on that issue. Since you mention Sweden, Volvo Cars just opened a factory in the US to manufacture cars there, which of course is a plan that started years before Trump got into politics. How do you explain that if it's so impossible to succeed in manufacturing in the US? Many other companies have done the same, and it was hilarious when Trump took credit for a bunch of plans to open factories in the US when those plans had been decided before he became president. The case is that if you don't care about any country and only your own wealth you can of course get larger profit margins by manufacturing in cheap labor countries, which is what the Trumps have done. It's purely a choice, not mandatory. It's also hilarious that you don't think that US economy news like what you're saying isn't on news everywhere. You also don't seem to think that everyone are aware of the global recession we just came out of and how we're now in an economic boom, as you try to pass off some effects of that to Trump. If anything he's not that unlikely to stifle some of the boom with his trade war actions. We'll see how that plays out.

Since you claim to read such good news (so you get info like that hilariously wrong info about terrorism in Sweden) I'm sure you know that manufacturing has actually consistently gone up in the US? You're just being fooled by the companies and your masters that it's dropping in the US, when the only drop is in the work force, which of course is due to automation and not what they are telling you. The work force drop clearly isn't a problem either as you still have as low unemployment as you need.

Yes, you're definitely very partisan. That's why you're frothing at the mouth when you argue and attribute things to me like that I support Obama or news outlets. It's the sign of highly partisan people that just assume that someone arguing against them hold the opposite views. Probably the same fervor that causes you to do funny things like writing things in all caps.

It's also funny that you're crying about the notion of having to prove your own statements. You really have no idea how statements work, do you? I wouldn't be too keen on making that comparison if I wanted to support Trump as he hasn't been in office long enough to actually complete enough promises. Things being worked on don't count until they are done.
 
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You're trying to pass off someone saying that the Nazi's separated parents and children as saying that Trump is a Nazi. That's just not the case, nor is it the case that the political left has established that Trump follows National Socialism. Of course this time around you also proved that you're so bad at reading that when I made a point about Trump buying a faked news segment you took it as that I was saying that you believed it. Or are you so partisan that you have trouble separating your identity from Trump's?

That wasn't your comment, don't make bold faced lies. You said that terror was never a concern in Sweden before, which is completely false and further shows that you don't know what you're talking about. So don't try to talk about facts since you were dead wrong. I pointed to a study that's done after scientific methods and that can be read in it's entirety and therefor isn't hiding anything, while you're just burping opinions and try to pass them off as facts. If you actually had something relevant to say you would have criticized something in the study, but you probably can't read that much text, let alone comprehend it.

Did you seriously say "how dare you attack my judge of sources"? Haha, that was the funniest you've been this far. Overly emotional and grammatically incorrect. And you clearly absolutely suck at judging sources as you think that terrorism has never been a concern in Sweden before and excused yourself with that it's what you've heard and read. That's where a fool just blindly buys it, and the person that understands source criticism would have looked up and saw the obvious that it's of course happened before.

You continue to prove that you don't understand how to listen to someone instead of just assuming what that person thinks. Exactly how is someone that's saying that you must be adept at source criticism when reading mainstream media towing the mainstream media line? That's of course not the case but you're so partisan that you're blind to what's actually being said and like a rabid dog, frothing at the mouth, you jump at the straw men you've set up. Someone that's intelligent and critically examine news and sources can watch anything and judge whether it's believable or not. To just categorically dismiss or buy everything from a certain group is for the sheep.

Trump is definitely playing you, that's clear. The tax cut mainly benefited the rich in the way it was done, and the bonuses reported were hilariously low compared to what the companies saved. A perfect example where someone is dazzled by minor things, so he doesn't know when actually important things happen, like the Internet rights being sold out and that the wealth gap is increasing. His tax policies are actually more catered to the rich than the most right leaning party in Sweden. Not that I'm saying that he shouldn't do that, as I'm a high income earner myself and benefit from such policies much more than the average worker (of course his policies don't affect me, but the general idea of them can be applied here as well), but it's pretty funny when the average Joe think they really benefit from getting some spare change when they don't look at the entire picture. Trump has also seemingly entirely given up on fixing the carried interest loophole, which he himself admitted was so beneficial to people like him and very unfair to American workers.

Personally I'm surprised that Americans aren't calling for things like at a least decent amount of guaranteed paid vacation.

And if it's impossible to manufacture in the US, how come many other companies to that? Trump is just being a hypocrite on that issue. Since you mention Sweden, Volvo Cars just opened a factory in the US to manufacture cars there, which of course is a plan that started years before Trump got into politics. How do you explain that if it's so impossible to succeed in manufacturing in the US? Many other companies have done the same, and it was hilarious when Trump took credit for a bunch of plans to open factories in the US when those plans had been decided before he became president. The case is that if you don't care about any country and only your own wealth you can of course get larger profit margins by manufacturing in cheap labor countries, which is what the Trumps have done. It's purely a choice, not mandatory. It's also hilarious that you don't think that US economy news like what you're saying isn't on news everywhere. You also don't seem to think that everyone are aware of the global recession we just came out of and how we're now in an economic boom, as you try to pass off some effects of that to Trump. If anything he's not that unlikely to stifle some of the boom with his trade war actions. We'll see how that plays out.

Since you claim to read such good news (so you get info like that hilariously wrong info about terrorism in Sweden) I'm sure you know that manufacturing has actually consistently gone up in the US? You're just being fooled by the companies and your masters that it's dropping in the US, when the only drop is in the work force, which of course is due to automation and not what they are telling you. The work force drop clearly isn't a problem either as you still have as low unemployment as you need.

Yes, you're definitely very partisan. That's why you're frothing at the mouth when you argue and attribute things to me like that I support Obama or news outlets. It's the sign of highly partisan people that just assume that someone arguing against them hold the opposite views. Probably the same fervor that causes you to do funny things like writing things in all caps.

It's also funny that you're crying about the notion of having to prove your own statements. You really have no idea how statements work, do you? I wouldn't be too keen on making that comparison if I wanted to support Trump as he hasn't been in office long enough to actually complete enough promises. Things being worked on don't count until they are done.

You are so fucking stupid from word one. Now you are claiming that I'm "trying to pass off someone saying that the Nazi's separated parents and children as saying that Trump is a Nazi." That's not even close to what any of this all about, you moron. This "separate children" BS is just the latest round of Trump is a Nazi propaganda that has been going on for years now. I have already given you a heaping list of examples. There has been two years of nonstop propaganda from the fake news falsely painting Trump & his supporters as Nazis and racists. Your sad attempts to defend this garbage and paint it as anything but the smear job it is, is pathetic and becoming boorish. You are so clueless you can't separate yourself from your globalist masters & the propaganda they spew.

I again, stand by what I said. Terrorism was never the concern in Europe or Sweden that it is today. As usual I have references and sources to prove what I am saying while you just spew continuous nonstop diarrhea of the mouth.
https://ctc.usma.edu/terrorist-awakening-in-sweden/
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8444/sweden-islamic-terrorism
http://time.com/4119734/terror-threat-sweden-raised-terrorism/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...st-disturbing-terror-vehicle-trend/100166752/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/world/europe/stockholm-attack.html
https://www.rt.com/news/340924-sweden-terror-threat-isis/
https://www.thelocal.se/20151118/sweden-reported-to-be-raising-terror-threat

Yes I did say "How dare you attack my judge of sources?" This is not "overly emotional" nor "grammatically incorrect". As usual, you are wrong yet again. Terrorism was never a concern in Sweden as I have proved yet one more time above. For some reason, the neurons in your brain just do not synchronize well enough for you to comprehend what you see. You should hire a tutor to explain what you reading so you better understand.

You are most definitely part of the flock. You have done nothing but regurgitate the MSM globalist line.
" Someone that's intelligent and critically examine news and judge whether it's believable or not" = ME
"categorically buy everything from a certain group is for the sheep." = YOU

The wealth gap has been increasing for decades since the birth of the idea of an elite controlled global empire. Trying to blame Trump for that shows nothing but your bias against him. He is attempting to slow this problem and bring back a dying middle class.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/03/news/economy/wealth-gap-america/index.html

Internet rights were sold out by Jihad Barry. Again, blaming Trump only shows how blind and bias you truly are.
https://www.infowars.com/obama-administration-turns-the-internet-over-to-the-globalists/
http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/obama-plunges-toward-internet-surrender-to-globalists/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/29/icann-un-take-internet-oct-1/

You again, have absolutely no idea of anything that goes on in the USA.
You said " I'm sure you know that manufacturing has actually consistently gone up in the US?" Again you spew garbage with no idea of facts, no sources, no research. Just a blind false statement, as usual.
In Truth manufacturing in US:
https://www.epi.org/publication/manufacturing-job-loss-trade-not-productivity-is-the-culprit/

"Volvo Cars just opened a factory in the US to manufacture"
FALSE. Volvo is not "manufacturing" cars in the US. There is no car company that "manufactures" cars in the US any longer. Car companies only assemble cars in the US. They no longer do hardly any manufacturing here. They assemble the cars here only because it is cheaper than shipping whole cars to the USA from Europe or Asia. The manufacturing is done outside the US. Even many of the assembly plants have moved to Mexico because NAFTA allows them to assemble them in Mexico at 1/10th the cost and bring them in on trucks for free. They even have the added bonus of not having to deal with the EPA in Mexico. This practice is the very thing that has increased the wealth gap that you previously complained about. Those at the top increased their profits, and American workers lost their jobs. Not that you give a fuck about that, but I do and so does Trump.

You are not here. You don't know what has happened here. Every single time you try to pretend that you know, you look like a complete dumbass fool. I am here. I have seen my family, friends, and neighbors lose their jobs to closing factories. You just don't give a fuck because its over here and you are over there. Its not Trump playing me. Its the globalist playing you like the bitch you are.
Your so called "Trade war actions"= Win, win, win for the USA. Lose, lose, lose for everyone else.
I can see why a non American would not like it.
LOL. We will see how that plays out.
You said, "Personally I'm surprised that Americans aren't calling for things like at a least decent amount of guaranteed paid vacation."
Thanks for bringing that up. That's another Trumpian policy that I have begged for a long time. I have always been offended by the fact that Europeans work less hours, get longer vacations, and have socialized healthcare while us American tax payers work longer hours, have less vacation time, and pay for our own healthcare all while paying for Europe's defense. I love that Trump is demanding that Europeans pay their fair share and abide by NATO agreements that they have ignored for decades. I love that trump declared at the G7 that America is no longer going to be the piggy bank for the rest of the world to rob. I could see why a non American who has been allowed to take advantage of American tax payers would not like that. Now maybe we are getting to the real issue of why you hate Trump so much. He really is not good for anyone not in the US, so your bias and deep rooted hated makes sense.

Trump has accomplished much and much of his promises have been completed. Do some research and you would be surprised by how much he has completed and the fake news has not reported. You might actually learn something. LOL. We both know that will never happen.

Bonus:
https://www.infowars.com/525354-2/
 
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You are so fucking stupid from word one. Now you are claiming that I'm "trying to pass off someone saying that the Nazi's separated parents and children as saying that Trump is a Nazi." That's not even close to what any of this all about, you moron. This "separate children" BS is just the latest round of Trump is a Nazi propaganda that has been going on for years now. I have already given you a heaping list of examples. There has been two years of nonstop propaganda from the fake news falsely painting Trump & his supporters as Nazis and racists. Your sad attempts to defend this garbage and paint it as anything but the smear job it is, is pathetic and becoming boorish. You are so clueless you can't separate yourself from your globalist masters & the propaganda they spew.

I again, stand by what I said. Terrorism was never the concern in Europe or Sweden that it is today. As usual I have references and sources to prove what I am saying while you just spew continuous nonstop diarrhea of the mouth.
https://ctc.usma.edu/terrorist-awakening-in-sweden/
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8444/sweden-islamic-terrorism
http://time.com/4119734/terror-threat-sweden-raised-terrorism/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...st-disturbing-terror-vehicle-trend/100166752/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/world/europe/stockholm-attack.html
https://www.rt.com/news/340924-sweden-terror-threat-isis/
https://www.thelocal.se/20151118/sweden-reported-to-be-raising-terror-threat

Yes I did say "How dare you attack my judge of sources?" This is not "overly emotional" nor "grammatically incorrect". As usual, you are wrong yet again. Terrorism was never a concern in Sweden as I have proved yet one more time above. For some reason, the neurons in your brain just do not synchronize well enough for you to comprehend what you see. You should hire a tutor to explain what you reading so you better understand.

You are most definitely part of the flock. You have done nothing but regurgitate the MSM globalist line.
" Someone that's intelligent and critically examine news and judge whether it's believable or not" = ME
"categorically buy everything from a certain group is for the sheep." = YOU

The wealth gap has been increasing for decades since the birth of the idea of an elite controlled global empire. Trying to blame Trump for that shows nothing but your bias against him. He is attempting to slow this problem and bring back a dying middle class.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/03/news/economy/wealth-gap-america/index.html

Internet rights were sold out by Jihad Barry. Again, blaming Trump only shows how blind and bias you truly are.
https://www.infowars.com/obama-administration-turns-the-internet-over-to-the-globalists/
http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/obama-plunges-toward-internet-surrender-to-globalists/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/29/icann-un-take-internet-oct-1/

You again, have absolutely no idea of anything that goes on in the USA.
You said " I'm sure you know that manufacturing has actually consistently gone up in the US?" Again you spew garbage with no idea of facts, no sources, no research. Just a blind false statement, as usual.
In Truth manufacturing in US:
https://www.epi.org/publication/manufacturing-job-loss-trade-not-productivity-is-the-culprit/

"Volvo Cars just opened a factory in the US to manufacture"
FALSE. Volvo is not "manufacturing" cars in the US. There is no car company that "manufactures" cars in the US any longer. Car companies only assemble cars in the US. They no longer do hardly any manufacturing here. They assemble the cars here only because it is cheaper than shipping whole cars to the USA from Europe or Asia. The manufacturing is done outside the US. Even many of the assembly plants have moved to Mexico because NAFTA allows them to assemble them in Mexico at 1/10th the cost and bring them in on trucks for free. They even have the added bonus of not having to deal with the EPA in Mexico. This practice is the very thing that has increased the wealth gap that you previously complained about. Those at the top increased their profits, and American workers lost their jobs. Not that you give a fuck about that, but I do and so does Trump.

You are not here. You don't know what has happened here. Every single time you try to pretend that you know, you look like a complete dumbass fool. I am here. I have seen my family, friends, and neighbors lose their jobs to closing factories. You just don't give a fuck because its over here and you are over there. Its not Trump playing me. Its the globalist playing you like the bitch you are.
Your so called "Trade war actions"= Win, win, win for the USA. Lose, lose, lose for everyone else.
I can see why a non American would not like it.
LOL. We will see how that plays out.
You said, "Personally I'm surprised that Americans aren't calling for things like at a least decent amount of guaranteed paid vacation."
Thanks for bringing that up. That's another Trumpian policy that I have begged for a long time. I have always been offended by the fact that Europeans work less hours, get longer vacations, and have socialized healthcare while us American tax payers work longer hours, have less vacation time, and pay for our own healthcare all while paying for Europe's defense. I love that Trump is demanding that Europeans pay their fair share and abide by NATO agreements that they have ignored for decades. I love that trump declared at the G7 that America is no longer going to be the piggy bank for the rest of the world to rob. I could see why a non American who has been allowed to take advantage of American tax payers would not like that. Now maybe we are getting to the real issue of why you hate Trump so much. He really is not good for anyone not in the US, so your bias and deep rooted hated makes sense.

Trump has accomplished much and much of his promises have been completed. Do some research and you would be surprised by how much he has completed and the fake news has not reported. You might actually learn something. LOL. We both know that will never happen.

Bonus:
https://www.infowars.com/525354-2/

I said that the left hasn't actually named Trump a Nazi and you came back with a link that shows someone saying that separating children was something that the Nazis did as well. As clear as it gets.

Again you're trying to lie. You didn't say that it never was the concern it is today, you said it's never been a concern before.

Haha, you don't even see the grammatical error? It's so funny how bad you are at English while you tried to be all high and mighty about it. Or maybe it's the emotional side taking over. I do enjoy the fact that you've said that you find no entertainment in this discussion and yet you're still here. That's a man who does not value his time. I find you to be unintentionally hilarious so I'm getting something out of it.

Someone that's intelligent and critically examine news doesn't haver to excuse himself by saying "I only know what I am told by people there and what I read" when he's corrected on being entirely wrong. That's the statement of a biased sheep, and that the one that said the quote was you.

You really show how partisan you are since you take my point about that his tax policy helps continue to increase the wealth gap as saying that he's the only one that's increased it. That is one of the most moronic interpretations of my statement you could make. You're too busy worshiping Trump to make the most rudimentary analysis of his tax policy though.

And again you show your partisanship in the Internet issue by going "but Obama...". One of the more pathetic discussion tactics. We're not discussing Obama, nor have I praised him. So don't be dishonest and stay on the subject. If you weren't so partisan you'd be able to discuss a politician based on his own ideas and not solely based on whether you think he's better than someone else or not.

My point is what your link supports, that manufacturing productivity has gone up in the US. It's manufacturing employment that's down. Employment is down because manufacturing becomes more and more efficient through automation.
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Assembly is a manufacturing process, so your objection on that point is semantic. Volvo Cars have built a factory that has some of the manufacturing process done by US workers, which you said was so impossible that you excuse Trump from doing it even though he demands that other companies do. And as I said, the company made the choice to build a factory in the US way before Trump was elected, yet you're trying to say that only Trump would get anyone to do it. I gave you a direct example that shows that you're wrong and clearly blinded by sales propaganda.

It's hilarious that you went to the defense of "you're not here", while you still try to make statements about how things are in Sweden. You really have no self-awareness.

The interesting thing here is that you don't see the issue of both complaining how people in the US lose jobs and brag about how low unemployment is in the US. Those don't go well together. Unemployment, as I already said, is not supposed to be 0%, that's not good for the economy. It can easily be higher than what it is in the US and be very healthy. That means that jobs lost in manufacturing have been replaced with other jobs and the US is not suffering in this regard. Of course you can find examples on an individual level that lost their jobs but that's anecdotal evidence and not relevant to a large scale discussion like this is. If unemployment is low then there's plenty of jobs around, and it's likely that people that still don't have jobs just aren't very capable, or they have refused to move to where the jobs are.

The trade war actions have affected the US as well, as the one thing the stock market doesn't like is instability and uncertainty, and Trump has provided that and dampened some of the effect of the global economic boom. Not a disaster by any means, but we've clearly seen the effects when he's made his statements. The unnecessary part of it is how he shouts out threats that he's not going through with, which still causes uncertainty. Like the steel tariffs that he threatened with, and then made exceptions for the EU and some other nations when both the threatened nations reacted, plus that manufacturers in the US said that he was hurting them by suggesting tariffs on types of steel that aren't available in the US. All that uncertainty means that we'll have to wait and see.

The reason most other developed nations have workers that work fewer hours and have more vacation has nothing to do with the US. It has to do with a smarter business climate where people have realized that it actually increases productivity. More conservative forces have consistently been against this development, and we would still work 10 hours a day, 6 days a week, if we didn't progress in our thinking. I've seen some companies that have reduced workdays to 6 hours and actually have seen an increase in productivity. "Work smarter, not harder" is a good thing to live by, even from an economical perspective (or maybe especially from that perspective). The US could most likely easily have the same amount of guaranteed days off for workers and maintain it's productivity, possibly even increasing it. It's too bad that such a wealthy nation doesn't focus on such quality of life issues for it's citizens, especially when it can actually even be economically beneficial.

I don't have any issues with demanding that NATO agreements are upheld, although I wouldn't just call that Europeans as it's a much more select group. The US is consistently nagging on us to join, but I doubt that will happen, especially since we already have an agreement with the US for joint military exercises etc. I'm also less interested in joining NATO when Turkey is in there, given the turn their nation has taken.

And again you show what kind of victim mentality you have. I don't hate Trump. On the contrary he's one of the most amusing politicians we've had. The discussion of course drags me towards explaining the bad parts of it as you're so partisan that you're praising Trump even when he does the opposite of what you claim. You just don't seem to understand the simplest nuance, like the difference between saying that "X policy that Trump made benefits the rich more than the rest" and saying "X policy that Trump made is bad". You even think I'm against things that benefit the group I'm in the most, just because you're so set on making up half the discussion in your own head. I've voted on different sides of the political scale during my life, based on what I think the current situation has required. Do you have the same kind of open-minded analysis, focusing on issues instead of identity politics, or have you voted for the same party all your life?
 
I said that the left hasn't actually named Trump a Nazi and you came back with a link that shows someone saying that separating children was something that the Nazis did as well. As clear as it gets.

Again you're trying to lie. You didn't say that it never was the concern it is today, you said it's never been a concern before.

Haha, you don't even see the grammatical error? It's so funny how bad you are at English while you tried to be all high and mighty about it. Or maybe it's the emotional side taking over. I do enjoy the fact that you've said that you find no entertainment in this discussion and yet you're still here. That's a man who does not value his time. I find you to be unintentionally hilarious so I'm getting something out of it.

Someone that's intelligent and critically examine news doesn't haver to excuse himself by saying "I only know what I am told by people there and what I read" when he's corrected on being entirely wrong. That's the statement of a biased sheep, and that the one that said the quote was you.

You really show how partisan you are since you take my point about that his tax policy helps continue to increase the wealth gap as saying that he's the only one that's increased it. That is one of the most moronic interpretations of my statement you could make. You're too busy worshiping Trump to make the most rudimentary analysis of his tax policy though.

And again you show your partisanship in the Internet issue by going "but Obama...". One of the more pathetic discussion tactics. We're not discussing Obama, nor have I praised him. So don't be dishonest and stay on the subject. If you weren't so partisan you'd be able to discuss a politician based on his own ideas and not solely based on whether you think he's better than someone else or not.

My point is what your link supports, that manufacturing productivity has gone up in the US. It's manufacturing employment that's down. Employment is down because manufacturing becomes more and more efficient through automation.
mfg1.jpg


Assembly is a manufacturing process, so your objection on that point is semantic. Volvo Cars have built a factory that has some of the manufacturing process done by US workers, which you said was so impossible that you excuse Trump from doing it even though he demands that other companies do. And as I said, the company made the choice to build a factory in the US way before Trump was elected, yet you're trying to say that only Trump would get anyone to do it. I gave you a direct example that shows that you're wrong and clearly blinded by sales propaganda.

It's hilarious that you went to the defense of "you're not here", while you still try to make statements about how things are in Sweden. You really have no self-awareness.

The interesting thing here is that you don't see the issue of both complaining how people in the US lose jobs and brag about how low unemployment is in the US. Those don't go well together. Unemployment, as I already said, is not supposed to be 0%, that's not good for the economy. It can easily be higher than what it is in the US and be very healthy. That means that jobs lost in manufacturing have been replaced with other jobs and the US is not suffering in this regard. Of course you can find examples on an individual level that lost their jobs but that's anecdotal evidence and not relevant to a large scale discussion like this is. If unemployment is low then there's plenty of jobs around, and it's likely that people that still don't have jobs just aren't very capable, or they have refused to move to where the jobs are.

The trade war actions have affected the US as well, as the one thing the stock market doesn't like is instability and uncertainty, and Trump has provided that and dampened some of the effect of the global economic boom. Not a disaster by any means, but we've clearly seen the effects when he's made his statements. The unnecessary part of it is how he shouts out threats that he's not going through with, which still causes uncertainty. Like the steel tariffs that he threatened with, and then made exceptions for the EU and some other nations when both the threatened nations reacted, plus that manufacturers in the US said that he was hurting them by suggesting tariffs on types of steel that aren't available in the US. All that uncertainty means that we'll have to wait and see.

The reason most other developed nations have workers that work fewer hours and have more vacation has nothing to do with the US. It has to do with a smarter business climate where people have realized that it actually increases productivity. More conservative forces have consistently been against this development, and we would still work 10 hours a day, 6 days a week, if we didn't progress in our thinking. I've seen some companies that have reduced workdays to 6 hours and actually have seen an increase in productivity. "Work smarter, not harder" is a good thing to live by, even from an economical perspective (or maybe especially from that perspective). The US could most likely easily have the same amount of guaranteed days off for workers and maintain it's productivity, possibly even increasing it. It's too bad that such a wealthy nation doesn't focus on such quality of life issues for it's citizens, especially when it can actually even be economically beneficial.

I don't have any issues with demanding that NATO agreements are upheld, although I wouldn't just call that Europeans as it's a much more select group. The US is consistently nagging on us to join, but I doubt that will happen, especially since we already have an agreement with the US for joint military exercises etc. I'm also less interested in joining NATO when Turkey is in there, given the turn their nation has taken.

And again you show what kind of victim mentality you have. I don't hate Trump. On the contrary he's one of the most amusing politicians we've had. The discussion of course drags me towards explaining the bad parts of it as you're so partisan that you're praising Trump even when he does the opposite of what you claim. You just don't seem to understand the simplest nuance, like the difference between saying that "X policy that Trump made benefits the rich more than the rest" and saying "X policy that Trump made is bad". You even think I'm against things that benefit the group I'm in the most, just because you're so set on making up half the discussion in your own head. I've voted on different sides of the political scale during my life, based on what I think the current situation has required. Do you have the same kind of open-minded analysis, focusing on issues instead of identity politics, or have you voted for the same party all your life?

I'm not even going to talk about the Nazi thing with you. You are just to stupid to get it. You know its happening and all you do is make up ignorant excuses for your fake news heroes and their misleading lies. I guess if you just cant be part of the solution to stopping the brainwashing propaganda, you are just destined to be permanently brainwashed and controlled by it.

Now, it's time for your daily thrashing and beat down. I really need to start charging you for the education you are about to receive.

Again, you spin your empty headed BS. I said terrorism was not a concern before and I am absolutely correct. I did not say that terrorism never ever happened, ever in history as you are trying to paint it, fake news style. It was rare and "not a concern" in the past. Now it is not rare and terrorism is absolutely a major concern in Europe and Sweden. Proof I am absolutely, unequivocally correct once again, while you spin your wheels and produce zero evidence of your pointless points:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-concern-list-of-europeans-poll-idUSKBN1JA2FX
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...r-top-issue-facing-bloc-say-people-across-eu/
https://www.yahohttp://www.business...op-concern-list-europeans-poll-161938948.html
https://www.politico.eu/article/mig...concerns-for-eu-citizens-poll-muslims-europe/
http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/12/immigration-top-concern-europe/
https://www.rt.com/news/402535-germans-top-concern-terrorism/
https://www.sott.net/article/361519-German-poll-Terrorism-is-the-1-concern-highest-results-ever
Sorry I have to destroy you like a nuclear bomb with facts, proof, and references every single time you open your mouth, but its in the nature of stupid people to be continually wrong. It seems you have just proven to be utterly stupid once again, by all those pesky facts.

No, I take it back, I am not sorry I have to let facts and the truth get into the way of your egomania. I guess I am entertained somewhat by destroying your very heart & soul in this discussion and proving you wrong without any doubt at every single turn. I don't know at this point if it is your stupidity that is actually making it so easy for me to do, or if its just me making it look so easy to prove you a thoughtless fool.

Regarding wealth gap & Internet rights:
You originally said "Trump doesn't know when actually important things happen, like the Internet rights being sold out and that the wealth gap is increasing."
Dumbest statement ever. Only a fake news true believer would even think such a thing. Trump is very much aware of these things. He has railed in great detail about the importance of bringing back a middle class, and decreasing the wealth gap. He spoke very harshly of Jihad Barry's selling out internets rights. Unfortunately Jihad Barry's turning over the internet to the globalist cannot be taken back. It was structured to be permanent and as Trump was not President yet, his hands were and are tied on that issue. I did not bring it up. You did, and you still have proven to be completely uninformed and unprepared to even discuss it. I did not go "but Obama". I just laid out the facts that you were ignorant to, yet again. Its not your fault for being ignorant. As a slave to the fake news, you would not know these things and you would be ignorant to them as the fake news does not cover them. You would have to actually take the time to listen to Trump speak to know what he knows about and what he really says. The fake news spins it, does not report the truth about Trump talks about and what Trump knows about, and you remain ignorant to the facts all the same.


You don't even know how to read the chart, look at it intelligently and understand what you are looking at. You look at it like a child and say, see, duhhhhh, the line goes up, duhhhh that means good, and duhhhhh it means I'm right duhhhhh. Sorry that I have to do this to you. Sorry to crush your ego, prove you wrong and make you look completely stupid and foolish once again, by facts. However, your smug ignorance leaves me little choice.
mfg1.jpg

Economics lesson for today: $40
The red line represents Manufacturing output in "BILLIONS OF DOLLARS". It shows this value at $1100 billion in 1980. It shows that in 2014 this value is $2100 billion. When looking at a long period of time in which $$$$ are involved, you must factor in a little thing you may have never heard of in your own undereducated world, called inflation. $1200 billion in goods in 1980, would be worth $3700 billion in 2014 (as per https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/). This is not an increase, as you have so ignorantly claimed. It is clearly a decrease in actual production and it is a very significant decrease at that, nearing 50%. Its an even greater decrease than the 1/3 decrease represented by the blue line showing the loss of jobs from 1980 to 2014. Once again, you are so short sighted and close minded that you cannot see past the nose on your face. Once again you claimed to be correct all the while you are braindead and only see what you want to see. You have now have proven to be completely wrong, once again, by those ever present pesky little things called facts. Your the person who claimed to be able look at things and evaluate whether they should be believed or not. Its got to be quite embarrassing be proven wrong time and time again. Your ideas are from the eyes and the mind of a child.

As I said, car companies are only assembling cars in the US because the finished product is too big and expensive to ship here whole. If it were not such a large and un-shippable product, it too, like everything else could not be assembled here because of the unfair trade practices stupid globalist leaders took their bribes to agree upon and enact. Donald Trump makes no cars. Donald Trump's companies produces items that can be shipped from overseas. Because of this, he cannot produce them in the US and compete at the market price. It is not a choice, unless you consider going out of business to be a viable choice. Again you are completely wrong in every conceivable way. Again, you try to push a false narrative just like your fake news heroes you aspire to be so much like.

You said "It's hilarious that you went to the defense of "you're not here", while you still try to make statements about how things are in Sweden."
This illustrates the big difference between you and me. You are not in the US and you could care less if Americans have jobs, if America is successful, or if America remains a sovereign nation. While I am not in Sweden or Europe, I very much care about these centuries old cultures, history, and the sovereignty of those nations, as well as their ethnic identities. I very much feel the pain of the European people who are sitting idly by and watching their countries be invaded by foreign invaders at the design of globalist who's evil intention is to destroy their national identities and borders. One cannot have a one world government if people are around that care about their individualism and national identities.

You said "The interesting thing here is that you don't see the issue of both complaining how people in the US lose jobs and brag about how low unemployment is in the US...………"
Again you show your glaring ignorance. Unemployment is much lower now because Trumps policies and plans are making a difference. This does mean that all is well, as you have wrongly insinuated and have now tried to assume for me. The loss of jobs is referring to good jobs. Good paying jobs that created a middle class and bridged the wage gap. They have been replaced by jobs that pay little more than minimum wage or right at minimum wage. Companies in the USA can no longer afford to pay a real livable middle class wage because globalist leaders have tore down our borders and trade barriers that protected American middle class workers. Companies that produce anything here need to be able to compete with production in low wage countries that do not even have environmental laws because of the scam known as "free trade".
I will use my personal situation as an example. My business sits across the street from a factory that used to be a General Electric and produced light bulbs. They used to employ 1200 employees and paid an average of $22/hr. That factory closed and moved to Mexico where it now pays employees less than $3/hr. and ships its light bulbs to the US free of charge because of NAFTA. The building it was located in was 65% demolished and that part is now an empty field. What is left is now for lease and hopefully something will one day open there. When it does, it will have the capacity to employ about 150 people and the jobs it creates will pay $8.50/hr. Factoring in inflation, this means that 1200 jobs of near $30/hr. will be replaced by 150 jobs of $8.50/hr. This very scenario has played out all over America. Yet some moron in Sweden thinks free trade has been so good for America and Americans. You are truly one empty headed idiot.

I'll agree with one statement you made:
"It's too bad that such a wealthy nation doesn't focus on such quality of life issues for it's citizens, especially when it can actually even be economically beneficial."
Unfortunately the thought origin of your statement is, as usual, misguided and uninformed. The 1% at the top care not about what happens to the rest of the 99%. The greed of the 1% at the top and the greed of politicians who have taken the bribes from those globalist 1% to enact policies that harmed the rest of us do not care about the quality of anyone's lives but those of their own social class. This is exactly what makes Donald J. Trump such a special man and such a great leader for the masses. That's exactly what "Make America Great Again" stands for. He cares about all Americans and is trying to enact policies that will improve the quality of life for America's citizens. It is those 1% globalist puppet masters that he fights with constantly and nonstop to bring about a different attitude towards the 99% and their quality of life. If you think its bad now that "a wealthy nation doesn't focus on such quality of life issues for it's citizens", wait till you see what happens when these people who know no end to their greed, are in complete control of the entire planet because of people like you who buy the deep state globalists controlled fake news, and refuse to see the truth or do anything about it.

You said "The reason most other developed nations have workers that work fewer hours and have more vacation has nothing to do with the US. It has to do with a smarter business climate where people have realized that it actually increases productivity."
Again, completely wrong. You are comparing apples to oranges. You are comparing countries that have historically put their own people first (which is now stopping and you will one day see the results for yourself) with the US whose leadership has been preoccupied with the mistaken idea that we Americans are responsible for taking care of the rest of the world and forcing democracy and globalization on other nations. The US inability to care for its own people first, fight unending wars at unimaginable costs, and send out countless billions in foreign aid every single year, are the reasons that people have better lifestyles in other countries. If all this energy, money, and effort were spent here in America, like American tax dollars should be, there would not be the disparity in the quality of life. Its got absolutely nothing to do with "smarter business climate" like you have stupidly stated.

To answer your question at the end of your babbling, I have begrudgingly voted Republican or have voted for third party candidates my entire life despite my entire family being lifelong Democrats and me living in one of the most Democratic areas in the US. I now proudly and gladly vote Trump Republican as the party is split in two and I never really cared for the establishment globalist wing of the Republican party. My entire family, as I said, lifelong Democrats, are all now proud Trump Republicans to the very last person. The area I live in, who had never elected a republican to serve any office in my entire life, voted 67% for Trump. Since the election and by his actions, Trumps support here has grown like compounding interest. If the election were today, I believe he would receive close to 90% in my area. I have never seen the blood red hatred in the eyes of the left and their globalist allies like I have seen them have for Trump. I have also never seen the common working class people have so much love, admiration, and respect for any politician or leader that I see them have for Trump. The one thing you are right about is my support for Trump. I would take a bullet for that man and I never thought I would ever say that about any politician. Trump has been very rich & powerful man for a long time. He did not NEED this. He did not need these headaches. He did need to become a politician and endure this constant smear campaign. He risks his very life and fortune to fight dangerous deep state globalist for the forgotten ignored working class Americans who have suffered and lost so much in the name of evil imperialism and globalism. As one of those forgotten ignored Americans, the least I can give back to him is my loyalty and devotion. You can bet your ass he's got my vote for as long as he wants it.
 
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Holy shit you two. When's the wedding?
 
I'm not even going to talk about the Nazi thing with you. You are just to stupid to get it. You know its happening and all you do is make up ignorant excuses for your fake news heroes and their misleading lies. I guess if you just cant be part of the solution to stopping the brainwashing propaganda, you are just destined to be permanently brainwashed and controlled by it.

Now, it's time for your daily thrashing and beat down. I really need to start charging you for the education you are about to receive.

Again, you spin your empty headed BS. I said terrorism was not a concern before and I am absolutely correct. I did not say that terrorism never ever happened, ever in history as you are trying to paint it, fake news style. It was rare and "not a concern" in the past. Now it is not rare and terrorism is absolutely a major concern in Europe and Sweden. Proof I am absolutely, unequivocally correct once again, while you spin your wheels and produce zero evidence of your pointless points:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-concern-list-of-europeans-poll-idUSKBN1JA2FX
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...r-top-issue-facing-bloc-say-people-across-eu/
https://www.yahohttp://www.business...op-concern-list-europeans-poll-161938948.html
https://www.politico.eu/article/mig...concerns-for-eu-citizens-poll-muslims-europe/
http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/12/immigration-top-concern-europe/
https://www.rt.com/news/402535-germans-top-concern-terrorism/
https://www.sott.net/article/361519-German-poll-Terrorism-is-the-1-concern-highest-results-ever
Sorry I have to destroy you like a nuclear bomb with facts, proof, and references every single time you open your mouth, but its in the nature of stupid people to be continually wrong. It seems you have just proven to be utterly stupid once again, by all those pesky facts.

No, I take it back, I am not sorry I have to let facts and the truth get into the way of your egomania. I guess I am entertained somewhat by destroying your very heart & soul in this discussion and proving you wrong without any doubt at every single turn. I don't know at this point if it is your stupidity that is actually making it so easy for me to do, or if its just me making it look so easy to prove you a thoughtless fool.

Regarding wealth gap & Internet rights:
You originally said "Trump doesn't know when actually important things happen, like the Internet rights being sold out and that the wealth gap is increasing."
Dumbest statement ever. Only a fake news true believer would even think such a thing. Trump is very much aware of these things. He has railed in great detail about the importance of bringing back a middle class, and decreasing the wealth gap. He spoke very harshly of Jihad Barry's selling out internets rights. Unfortunately Jihad Barry's turning over the internet to the globalist cannot be taken back. It was structured to be permanent and as Trump was not President yet, his hands were and are tied on that issue. I did not bring it up. You did, and you still have proven to be completely uninformed and unprepared to even discuss it. I did not go "but Obama". I just laid out the facts that you were ignorant to, yet again. Its not your fault for being ignorant. As a slave to the fake news, you would not know these things and you would be ignorant to them as the fake news does not cover them. You would have to actually take the time to listen to Trump speak to know what he knows about and what he really says. The fake news spins it, does not report the truth about Trump talks about and what Trump knows about, and you remain ignorant to the facts all the same.


You don't even know how to read the chart, look at it intelligently and understand what you are looking at. You look at it like a child and say, see, duhhhhh, the line goes up, duhhhh that means good, and duhhhhh it means I'm right duhhhhh. Sorry that I have to do this to you. Sorry to crush your ego, prove you wrong and make you look completely stupid and foolish once again, by facts. However, your smug ignorance leaves me little choice.
mfg1.jpg

Economics lesson for today: $40
The red line represents Manufacturing output in "BILLIONS OF DOLLARS". It shows this value at $1100 billion in 1980. It shows that in 2014 this value is $2100 billion. When looking at a long period of time in which $$$$ are involved, you must factor in a little thing you may have never heard of in your own undereducated world, called inflation. $1200 billion in goods in 1980, would be worth $3700 billion in 2014 (as per https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/). This is not an increase, as you have so ignorantly claimed. It is clearly a decrease in actual production and it is a very significant decrease at that, nearing 50%. Its an even greater decrease than the 1/3 decrease represented by the blue line showing the loss of jobs from 1980 to 2014. Once again, you are so short sighted and close minded that you cannot see past the nose on your face. Once again you claimed to be correct all the while you are braindead and only see what you want to see. You have now have proven to be completely wrong, once again, by those ever present pesky little things called facts. Your the person who claimed to be able look at things and evaluate whether they should be believed or not. Its got to be quite embarrassing be proven wrong time and time again. Your ideas are from the eyes and the mind of a child.

As I said, car companies are only assembling cars in the US because the finished product is too big and expensive to ship here whole. If it were not such a large and un-shippable product, it too, like everything else could not be assembled here because of the unfair trade practices stupid globalist leaders took their bribes to agree upon and enact. Donald Trump makes no cars. Donald Trump's companies produces items that can be shipped from overseas. Because of this, he cannot produce them in the US and compete at the market price. It is not a choice, unless you consider going out of business to be a viable choice. Again you are completely wrong in every conceivable way. Again, you try to push a false narrative just like your fake news heroes you aspire to be so much like.

You said "It's hilarious that you went to the defense of "you're not here", while you still try to make statements about how things are in Sweden."
This illustrates the big difference between you and me. You are not in the US and you could care less if Americans have jobs, if America is successful, or if America remains a sovereign nation. While I am not in Sweden or Europe, I very much care about these centuries old cultures, history, and the sovereignty of those nations, as well as their ethnic identities. I very much feel the pain of the European people who are sitting idly by and watching their countries be invaded by foreign invaders at the design of globalist who's evil intention is to destroy their national identities and borders. One cannot have a one world government if people are around that care about their individualism and national identities.

You said "The interesting thing here is that you don't see the issue of both complaining how people in the US lose jobs and brag about how low unemployment is in the US...………"
Again you show your glaring ignorance. Unemployment is much lower now because Trumps policies and plans are making a difference. This does mean that all is well, as you have wrongly insinuated and have now tried to assume for me. The loss of jobs is referring to good jobs. Good paying jobs that created a middle class and bridged the wage gap. They have been replaced by jobs that pay little more than minimum wage or right at minimum wage. Companies in the USA can no longer afford to pay a real livable middle class wage because globalist leaders have tore down our borders and trade barriers that protected American middle class workers. Companies that produce anything here need to be able to compete with production in low wage countries that do not even have environmental laws because of the scam known as "free trade".
I will use my personal situation as an example. My business sits across the street from a factory that used to be a General Electric and produced light bulbs. They used to employ 1200 employees and paid an average of $22/hr. That factory closed and moved to Mexico where it now pays employees less than $3/hr. and ships its light bulbs to the US free of charge because of NAFTA. The building it was located in was 65% demolished and that part is now an empty field. What is left is now for lease and hopefully something will one day open there. When it does, it will have the capacity to employ about 150 people and the jobs it creates will pay $8.50/hr. Factoring in inflation, this means that 1200 jobs of near $30/hr. will be replaced by 150 jobs of $8.50/hr. This very scenario has played out all over America. Yet some moron in Sweden thinks free trade has been so good for America and Americans. You are truly one empty headed idiot.

I'll agree with one statement you made:
"It's too bad that such a wealthy nation doesn't focus on such quality of life issues for it's citizens, especially when it can actually even be economically beneficial."
Unfortunately the thought origin of your statement is, as usual, misguided and uninformed. The 1% at the top care not about what happens to the rest of the 99%. The greed of the 1% at the top and the greed of politicians who have taken the bribes from those globalist 1% to enact policies that harmed the rest of us do not care about the quality of anyone's lives but those of their own social class. This is exactly what makes Donald J. Trump such a special man and such a great leader for the masses. That's exactly what "Make America Great Again" stands for. He cares about all Americans and is trying to enact policies that will improve the quality of life for America's citizens. It is those 1% globalist puppet masters that he fights with constantly and nonstop to bring about a different attitude towards the 99% and their quality of life. If you think its bad now that "a wealthy nation doesn't focus on such quality of life issues for it's citizens", wait till you see what happens when these people who know no end to their greed, are in complete control of the entire planet because of people like you who buy the deep state globalists controlled fake news, and refuse to see the truth or do anything about it.

You said "The reason most other developed nations have workers that work fewer hours and have more vacation has nothing to do with the US. It has to do with a smarter business climate where people have realized that it actually increases productivity."
Again, completely wrong. You are comparing apples to oranges. You are comparing countries that have historically put their own people first (which is now stopping and you will one day see the results for yourself) with the US whose leadership has been preoccupied with the mistaken idea that we Americans are responsible for taking care of the rest of the world and forcing democracy and globalization on other nations. The US inability to care for its own people first, fight unending wars at unimaginable costs, and send out countless billions in foreign aid every single year, are the reasons that people have better lifestyles in other countries. If all this energy, money, and effort were spent here in America, like American tax dollars should be, there would not be the disparity in the quality of life. Its got absolutely nothing to do with "smarter business climate" like you have stupidly stated.

To answer your question at the end of your babbling, I have begrudgingly voted Republican or have voted for third party candidates my entire life despite my entire family being lifelong Democrats and me living in one of the most Democratic areas in the US. I now proudly and gladly vote Trump Republican as the party is split in two and I never really cared for the establishment globalist wing of the Republican party. My entire family, as I said, lifelong Democrats, are all now proud Trump Republicans to the very last person. The area I live in, who had never elected a republican to serve any office in my entire life, voted 67% for Trump. Since the election and by his actions, Trumps support here has grown like compounding interest. If the election were today, I believe he would receive close to 90% in my area. I have never seen the blood red hatred in the eyes of the left and their globalist allies like I have seen them have for Trump. I have also never seen the common working class people have so much love, admiration, and respect for any politician or leader that I see them have for Trump. The one thing you are right about is my support for Trump. I would take a bullet for that man and I never thought I would ever say that about any politician. Trump has been very rich & powerful man for a long time. He did not NEED this. He did not need these headaches. He did need to become a politician and endure this constant smear campaign. He risks his very life and fortune to fight dangerous deep state globalist for the forgotten ignored working class Americans who have suffered and lost so much in the name of evil imperialism and globalism. As one of those forgotten ignored Americans, the least I can give back to him is my loyalty and devotion. You can bet your ass he's got my vote for as long as he wants it.

You still haven't even figured out what I said isn't happening, which is why you keep posting things that have nothing to do with my statement.

It's certainly been a concern before in Sweden, so you're dead wrong. Your attempt to swap the discussion to Europe overall makes you even more wrong since the largest peak of terrorism in Europe was when the Northern Ireland conflict burned the hottest.

Again you show your dishonest side. You actually changed the quote, which is underhanded and pathetic. I wasn't talking about Trump, I was talking about you when I said "A perfect example where someone is dazzled by minor things, so he doesn't know when actually important things happen, like the Internet rights being sold out and that the wealth gap is increasing." You're the one being dazzled by the rhetoric about the good so you don't notice the bad, and apparently you still suck at English.

It's funny that you claim to have kids when you use language like "destroying your very heart & soul in this discussion". Only teenagers speak like that, and only the dorks in that group.

On the productivity I'll admit that I wasn't clear on my point, and I don't want to be like you and not own up to things. My point was to talk about what happened since the year 2000, since that's where we saw the drastic change, but I should have made that clear and I didn't. Since then production is up, but with inflation it's rather been stable, but employment has decreased about 30%. That's my point, that US manufacturing isn't dying, but it employs fewer jobs due to automation and other efficiency solutions.

On the car assembly your point was that you can't manufacture in the US, and if that was the case then Volvo would most likely have put their factory in Mexico, especially due to cheaper labor. They however didn't, because manufacturing in the US hasn't been dead up until now, as you claimed. Trump has manufacturing in Mexico, it's not just overseas, and my point is that it's hypocritical to demand that everyone else manufactures in the US but he doesn't move his own businesses back.

Again you try to make up my opinions instead of listening to what I think. I don't buy that you care about Europe since you clearly don't know what's going on, shown by things like that you think we currently have the biggest wave of terrorism ever seen in Europe, which is false. You're also the one boasting about how Trump makes things good for the US and bad for everyone else, which doesn't rhyme well with having well-wishes for Europe. I on the other hand pointed out that things like the trade war risks being bad for everyone, and we saw one example today. One of EU's responses to Trump's tariff threats has now caused Harley Davidson Motorcycles to move their manufacturing from the US. I don't see why I would be happy that their American workers lose their jobs, but I'm sure you can concoct some reason in your head.

And speaking of jobs, what is your answer to the point of that while some jobs have vanished US unemployment has steadily gone down? If losing jobs is a problem then unemployment should go up, but you even had a consistent decline in unemployment during the long global recession that ended 1,5 years ago.

As for your attack on the 1% and their greed, you claim that they are bad for the US and then you voted for one of them to be president. Trump is most certainly one of the 1% and serving the 1% means serving himself. He has also by no means displayed a lack of greed in his life, and he's certainly not among the rich that gives the most to charity. At least his tax policies has this far been in that direction. Of course primarily serving the rich doesn't mean that the rest get things worse in every regard, it just means that they get a lesser share of everything than they could. I'll wait until he's served at least one entire term before really analyzing where his policies took the nation though, as it's unfair to do it early. I'm just not going to be swallowed by a cult of personality so I think that he's different when he has certainly done good things for them this far, and it's serving himself and his family at the same time.

It doesn't matter what the US has spent on global issues, it's still been at the top of the wealthiest nations and could easily spend a ton more on various things for it's citizens. That of course goes especially for guaranteed vacations days which actually doesn't cost anything, and benefits like that can actually increase productivity through having happier and healthier workers. I think it might be the 1% that are tricking people in the US to believe that it's expensive, because if they don't get the benefits of such things they of course think that they can keep down costs if they have to give employees less.

The point wasn't that I care about who you vote for (that's everyone's right to decide for their own), I was just checking if you actually could match my widespread voting while you try to claim that I'm firmly in one camp (probably especially wrong as I'm most likely voting for a right wing party in Sweden's upcoming election). Trump does get a lot of crap, probably worse than usual on the US political scene, that's known to be very much about character assassination to begin with. I'm not so sure he's suffered from this climate though as he thrived on making ad hominem attacks during the various stages of elections, which I think covered up some times where he was more reluctant to talk about specifics about his proposed solutions than some other candidates were. His campaign style has been a talking point in subsequent European elections just because of those things.
 
You still haven't even figured out what I said isn't happening, which is why you keep posting things that have nothing to do with my statement.

It's certainly been a concern before in Sweden, so you're dead wrong. Your attempt to swap the discussion to Europe overall makes you even more wrong since the largest peak of terrorism in Europe was when the Northern Ireland conflict burned the hottest.

Again you show your dishonest side. You actually changed the quote, which is underhanded and pathetic. I wasn't talking about Trump, I was talking about you when I said "A perfect example where someone is dazzled by minor things, so he doesn't know when actually important things happen, like the Internet rights being sold out and that the wealth gap is increasing." You're the one being dazzled by the rhetoric about the good so you don't notice the bad, and apparently you still suck at English.

It's funny that you claim to have kids when you use language like "destroying your very heart & soul in this discussion". Only teenagers speak like that, and only the dorks in that group.

On the productivity I'll admit that I wasn't clear on my point, and I don't want to be like you and not own up to things. My point was to talk about what happened since the year 2000, since that's where we saw the drastic change, but I should have made that clear and I didn't. Since then production is up, but with inflation it's rather been stable, but employment has decreased about 30%. That's my point, that US manufacturing isn't dying, but it employs fewer jobs due to automation and other efficiency solutions.

On the car assembly your point was that you can't manufacture in the US, and if that was the case then Volvo would most likely have put their factory in Mexico, especially due to cheaper labor. They however didn't, because manufacturing in the US hasn't been dead up until now, as you claimed. Trump has manufacturing in Mexico, it's not just overseas, and my point is that it's hypocritical to demand that everyone else manufactures in the US but he doesn't move his own businesses back.

Again you try to make up my opinions instead of listening to what I think. I don't buy that you care about Europe since you clearly don't know what's going on, shown by things like that you think we currently have the biggest wave of terrorism ever seen in Europe, which is false. You're also the one boasting about how Trump makes things good for the US and bad for everyone else, which doesn't rhyme well with having well-wishes for Europe. I on the other hand pointed out that things like the trade war risks being bad for everyone, and we saw one example today. One of EU's responses to Trump's tariff threats has now caused Harley Davidson Motorcycles to move their manufacturing from the US. I don't see why I would be happy that their American workers lose their jobs, but I'm sure you can concoct some reason in your head.

And speaking of jobs, what is your answer to the point of that while some jobs have vanished US unemployment has steadily gone down? If losing jobs is a problem then unemployment should go up, but you even had a consistent decline in unemployment during the long global recession that ended 1,5 years ago.

As for your attack on the 1% and their greed, you claim that they are bad for the US and then you voted for one of them to be president. Trump is most certainly one of the 1% and serving the 1% means serving himself. He has also by no means displayed a lack of greed in his life, and he's certainly not among the rich that gives the most to charity. At least his tax policies has this far been in that direction. Of course primarily serving the rich doesn't mean that the rest get things worse in every regard, it just means that they get a lesser share of everything than they could. I'll wait until he's served at least one entire term before really analyzing where his policies took the nation though, as it's unfair to do it early. I'm just not going to be swallowed by a cult of personality so I think that he's different when he has certainly done good things for them this far, and it's serving himself and his family at the same time.

It doesn't matter what the US has spent on global issues, it's still been at the top of the wealthiest nations and could easily spend a ton more on various things for it's citizens. That of course goes especially for guaranteed vacations days which actually doesn't cost anything, and benefits like that can actually increase productivity through having happier and healthier workers. I think it might be the 1% that are tricking people in the US to believe that it's expensive, because if they don't get the benefits of such things they of course think that they can keep down costs if they have to give employees less.

The point wasn't that I care about who you vote for (that's everyone's right to decide for their own), I was just checking if you actually could match my widespread voting while you try to claim that I'm firmly in one camp (probably especially wrong as I'm most likely voting for a right wing party in Sweden's upcoming election). Trump does get a lot of crap, probably worse than usual on the US political scene, that's known to be very much about character assassination to begin with. I'm not so sure he's suffered from this climate though as he thrived on making ad hominem attacks during the various stages of elections, which I think covered up some times where he was more reluctant to talk about specifics about his proposed solutions than some other candidates were. His campaign style has been a talking point in subsequent European elections just because of those things.


You have no clue what you are talking about accusing me changing any quote. As usual, you are completely so full of shit that shit is spewing from your ears non stop. Anything I quoted you as saying was copied and pasted directly from your post. I quoted you as saying Trump "doesn't know when actually important things happen, like the Internet rights being sold out and that the wealth gap is increasing."((<<--- copied & pasted right from the quote you just wrote for a second time above)) The only edit I made was taking out "he" at the very beginning and putting "Trump" outside the quotes because that was not your exact quote . However, you were referring to "Trump" in the previous sentences and "he" was obviously meant to mean "Trump" in the original context of your words. Not only do not know how to comprehend what I write, but now you cant even comprehend your own words. Real smart.

Oh, I have kids and I'm a grown man. "destroying your very heart & soul in this discussion" was a tongue and cheek comment and just me having a little fun with you . You don't have to take everything quite so literally. I hope I am not literally "destroying your very heart & soul". that's not my intention and I don't actually wish you any harm, like the way Trump haters would love to harm a Trump supporter like me. It was just a reference on your backwards thinking and the fact that you just cant seem to get anything right. I did not mean to make you cry.

On the productivity. So, I guess its OK that the US production has dropped near 50% from 1980 to 2014 as long as it flatlined from 2000 to 2014. You know what flatlining means, right? Its means your dead and its too fucking late. I guess that makes the globalist free trade policies that caused this huge reduction in productivity & loss of good paying jobs a real benefit to the American people.

Europe is experiencing the biggest wave of terrorism in history. Unfortunately, you just know about it because the fake news does not spend much time covering it. It does not fit the globalist narrative that migration is great for you, so they prefer to mention it as little as possible. I don't know about there, but here in the US & Canada, the fake news even goes as far as to whiten pictures of Islamic terrorist. Witnesses will report that a guy from the middle east screaming allahu akbar just killed people and the next thing you know, the fake news will falsely report him as being some crazy white and show the same picture you already saw of a darker skinned Middle eastern guy, with the tint changed to make him look white. There is no end to what the fake news will do to push their desired narrative.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/26/europe/london-acid-attacks-2017-intl/index.html
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...rope/london-acid-attacks-2017-intl/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/0...with-box-cutter-at-supermarket-in-france.html

"One of EU's responses to Trump's tariff threats has now caused Harley Davidson Motorcycles to move their manufacturing from the US"
More fake news. HD has planned to move production from the US for some time. Trump met with them just after he was elected and they agreed at that time, to keep production here. They are simply using the tariffs as an excuse to go back to their original plan of higher profits by seeker low wage workers elsewhere. You again do not know the facts and just believe what the fake news told you.

I said that being part of the 1% and actually caring for the other 99% is what makes Trump so special. Its exactly why he's an "outsider" to them. You continue to harp on "Trump's" tax plan. First off, its not Trumps tax plan. Congress refused "Trumps tax plan" because establishment Republicans and Democrats serve the 1% faithfully. Trumps tax plan was too hard on the rich (and the non working poor, by the way) and too generous to the working class for them. Congress passed a tax plan largely of their own instead, which was much better than what we had before because it contained some compromises and included parts of Trump's tax plan. Therefore Trump signed it, supported it, and settled for the best thing he could get them to pass. Secondly, you obviously have not read the tax plan as your again just tow the fake news line and claim that its only for the rich. I work hard and do OK, but I am not rich. However, as a small business owner, the tax plan will be very beneficial to small businesses and also to middle class families. Again, you just know WTF you are talking about.

It very much does matter "what the US has spent on global issues". I'm very glad for you that you are so well off, that you are able to consider trillions upon trillions of dollars essentially irrelevant. Not only has stupid US leaders wasted trillions on global issues, but they are just as stupid and irresponsible with tax payer dollars at home. Examples:
http://www.dividedstates.com/list-of-failed-obama-green-energy-solar-companies/
I have seen pork in spending bills coming from congress allocating millions to the study of the mating habits of crayfish (probably actually going to the brother in law of some congressman). All this while there is never tax money to spend on the betterment of tax paying Americans. We can allocate $30,000/ year + for every illegal immigrant child who illegally crosses the border. I know whole families of working American citizens who do not have that much money in a year to take care of their entire family. If I was an illegal immigrant who illegally came here and had a couple of anchor babies, my kids would go to college for free. Since I am a natural born hard working American tax payer, I am expected to pay for my kids college myself or take out huge loans. Sure the US is the richest country & there should be money for the betterment Americans (even though I hesitate to call a country with $23 trillion in debt rich). The problem is, until Donald Trump, we have had no leaders interested in bettering the lives of Americans nor any interest in taking care of America itself.
Every time they have a chance to do something good for the people, the special interest swoop in and take over. Take Obamacare for instance. The dems had complete control. They had harped for years about how we needed a public option in our healthcare, which I believe is a good idea. Instead of doing what they campaigned on, they let representatives of big money medical, big money pharma, and big money insurance (their huge donors) write the bill and they passed it without even reading it. The people ended up with a giant turd and the bribers ended up with a blank check to rob the US treasury of billions in taxpayer dollars. Along comes the Republicans who all campaigned on repealing and replacing the giant turd. When the time came, they too sold out to the big money and its the people who continue to pay for it.​
 

You have no clue what you are talking about accusing me changing any quote. As usual, you are completely so full of shit that shit is spewing from your ears non stop. Anything I quoted you as saying was copied and pasted directly from your post. I quoted you as saying Trump "doesn't know when actually important things happen, like the Internet rights being sold out and that the wealth gap is increasing."((<<--- copied & pasted right from the quote you just wrote for a second time above)) The only edit I made was taking out "he" at the very beginning and putting "Trump" outside the quotes because that was not your exact quote . However, you were referring to "Trump" in the previous sentences and "he" was obviously meant to mean "Trump" in the original context of your words. Not only do not know how to comprehend what I write, but now you cant even comprehend your own words. Real smart.

Oh, I have kids and I'm a grown man. "destroying your very heart & soul in this discussion" was a tongue and cheek comment and just me having a little fun with you . You don't have to take everything quite so literally. I hope I am not literally "destroying your very heart & soul". that's not my intention and I don't actually wish you any harm, like the way Trump haters would love to harm a Trump supporter like me. It was just a reference on your backwards thinking and the fact that you just cant seem to get anything right. I did not mean to make you cry.

On the productivity. So, I guess its OK that the US production has dropped near 50% from 1980 to 2014 as long as it flatlined from 2000 to 2014. You know what flatlining means, right? Its means your dead and its too fucking late. I guess that makes the globalist free trade policies that caused this huge reduction in productivity & loss of good paying jobs a real benefit to the American people.

Europe is experiencing the biggest wave of terrorism in history. Unfortunately, you just know about it because the fake news does not spend much time covering it. It does not fit the globalist narrative that migration is great for you, so they prefer to mention it as little as possible. I don't know about there, but here in the US & Canada, the fake news even goes as far as to whiten pictures of Islamic terrorist. Witnesses will report that a guy from the middle east screaming allahu akbar just killed people and the next thing you know, the fake news will falsely report him as being some crazy white and show the same picture you already saw of a darker skinned Middle eastern guy, with the tint changed to make him look white. There is no end to what the fake news will do to push their desired narrative.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/26/europe/london-acid-attacks-2017-intl/index.html
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...rope/london-acid-attacks-2017-intl/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/0...with-box-cutter-at-supermarket-in-france.html

"One of EU's responses to Trump's tariff threats has now caused Harley Davidson Motorcycles to move their manufacturing from the US"
More fake news. HD has planned to move production from the US for some time. Trump met with them just after he was elected and they agreed at that time, to keep production here. They are simply using the tariffs as an excuse to go back to their original plan of higher profits by seeker low wage workers elsewhere. You again do not know the facts and just believe what the fake news told you.

I said that being part of the 1% and actually caring for the other 99% is what makes Trump so special. Its exactly why he's an "outsider" to them. You continue to harp on "Trump's" tax plan. First off, its not Trumps tax plan. Congress refused "Trumps tax plan" because establishment Republicans and Democrats serve the 1% faithfully. Trumps tax plan was too hard on the rich (and the non working poor, by the way) and too generous to the working class for them. Congress passed a tax plan largely of their own instead, which was much better than what we had before because it contained some compromises and included parts of Trump's tax plan. Therefore Trump signed it, supported it, and settled for the best thing he could get them to pass. Secondly, you obviously have not read the tax plan as your again just tow the fake news line and claim that its only for the rich. I work hard and do OK, but I am not rich. However, as a small business owner, the tax plan will be very beneficial to small businesses and also to middle class families. Again, you just know WTF you are talking about.

It very much does matter "what the US has spent on global issues". I'm very glad for you that you are so well off, that you are able to consider trillions upon trillions of dollars essentially irrelevant. Not only has stupid US leaders wasted trillions on global issues, but they are just as stupid and irresponsible with tax payer dollars at home. Examples:
http://www.dividedstates.com/list-of-failed-obama-green-energy-solar-companies/
I have seen pork in spending bills coming from congress allocating millions to the study of the mating habits of crayfish (probably actually going to the brother in law of some congressman). All this while there is never tax money to spend on the betterment of tax paying Americans. We can allocate $30,000/ year + for every illegal immigrant child who illegally crosses the border. I know whole families of working American citizens who do not have that much money in a year to take care of their entire family. If I was an illegal immigrant who illegally came here and had a couple of anchor babies, my kids would go to college for free. Since I am a natural born hard working American tax payer, I am expected to pay for my kids college myself or take out huge loans. Sure the US is the richest country & there should be money for the betterment Americans (even though I hesitate to call a country with $23 trillion in debt rich). The problem is, until Donald Trump, we have had no leaders interested in bettering the lives of Americans nor any interest in taking care of America itself.
Every time they have a chance to do something good for the people, the special interest swoop in and take over. Take Obamacare for instance. The dems had complete control. They had harped for years about how we needed a public option in our healthcare, which I believe is a good idea. Instead of doing what they campaigned on, they let representatives of big money medical, big money pharma, and big money insurance (their huge donors) write the bill and they passed it without even reading it. The people ended up with a giant turd and the bribers ended up with a blank check to rob the US treasury of billions in taxpayer dollars. Along comes the Republicans who all campaigned on repealing and replacing the giant turd. When the time came, they too sold out to the big money and its the people who continue to pay for it.​

It's a fact that you dishonestly changed the quote, and quotes must always be exactly similar. Here's the quote you presented "Trump doesn't know when actually important things happen, like the Internet rights being sold out and that the wealth gap is increasing.", and here's what I actually wrote "A perfect example where someone is dazzled by minor things, so he doesn't know when actually important things happen, like the Internet rights being sold out and that the wealth gap is increasing." You also display your lack of reading comprehension since the paragraph starts with a line about how you are being played, so it's obvious that the quoted line is about you. Your interpretation that it was about Trump makes no sense whatsoever since that would mean that I was saying that he's dazzled to the point of not knowing what he himself is doing.

So was your quote exactly the same as what I said, or did you alter the words? Are you aware of the fact that quotes should always be exact down to the letter (making you dishonest) or was that news to you (making you uneducated)?

The point isn't about you supposedly being literal (of course you weren't and why would you ever think that was my point?), it's about you pretty often using language that dorky teenagers do and certainly not adults with children, as that usually brings some maturity.

Whether you had a drop in the 80s and 90s isn't relevant to the situation today if you've been stable the last two decades. That's a clear case of having two different trends, and it's the current trend that's relevant to what actions you take today.

I'm still finding it funny that you attribute the low unemployment rate only to Trump, despite that unemployment was steadily going down during the big recession. That's hard to achieve. Trump came into office just after the global economic boom took off, when it's easy to increase the number of jobs. I'm not saying Trump hasn't done anything, I'm saying that you're being absurdly partisan when you say that it's only because of him. Saying the latter is closer to idol worship than analysis.

You still don't seem to be able to look up even the simplest facts about Europe. Here's a couple of graphs showing terrorism in Europe since 1970. I take the first because it's showing all the available information about deaths, and the second shows the total number of terror attacks.
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(this graph does not include the flight that crashed in Irish airspace after a bomb exploded in 1985, where 329 people died)

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As you can see, and should have known, the 70s was the worst decade for terrorism and the 80s the second worst.

You can't talk about facts and fake news at the same time as you're contradicting something without giving a source. Harley Davidson was praised by Trump as late as last year for manufacturing in the US and he also says that he's surprised that they are moving, and is attributing it to the EU's response to his tariff threats.

Trump spoke about the passed tax bill as being for the normal people, when it was the rich that benefited the most from it. That's a clear case of trying to focus on something small of a tax policy to draw attention away from the big matter. If he really did care about the normal people first hand as much as you give him credit for there would have been a lot of talk about reforming the tax to try to lower wealth gaps. One can't be so simple as to think that something that makes something a little better for one class and more significantly better for another is based purely on love for the former. Someone with a nuanced view on politics will realize that it's not just about something becoming better, it's how much better it gets in relation to what can be done. The sad thing about the US is that it's grown economically rigid and it actually has the lowest socioeconomic mobility of all developed nations, despite the classic talk about the American dream. Things like the tax bill cements that, and I'd say that if you guys really want a change that needs to be something you start raising voices over.

I think the risk is that partisanship, together with only having two relevant options, causes too many people to just praise their side even when it fails to live up to what it could (and all sides fail at that to some degree). Sweden's politics is currently a mess since it's really hard to create a majority government at the moment, but I guess there is some sign of health that a new party has arisen and, based on an average of different polls, is competing to be the second largest party in the upcoming elections, even though they only entered parliament two elections ago. People have been disappointed with what's been done and have actually voted in a way that has changed things.

You seem under the delusion that guaranteed vacation has anything to do with tax money. It's not the government that pays for that, they just set rules so people aren't cheated out of the standards that they deserve. That's why it has no relevance what the US spends on such things, because it's not spending anything on vacations regardless if the workers get 0 or 30 days. Your objection to this matter just isn't applicable.

Let's also not pretend that the US military actions, and other more covert actions, tend to be done for altruistic reasons.

If we talk about things that do cost money there's still a lot of room for that, given that the US doesn't have high taxes so you could increase them to pay for things (I can imagine the chock of Americans reading that line). Especially since you have the largest wealth gaps you could redistribute some of the money that the rich have, to offset some of the gap and benefit the nation as a while (returning the wealth distribution to something closer to what studies have shown that both Republican and Democrat voters think is ideal, as they don't actually see things differently in that regard). For example with free higher education, which is a good investment in the population as it helps increase the worth of it as a working force. So even if you keep spending absurd amounts of money on the military and foreign interventions you could still get the money, although of course you could spend less on that and get the money that way as well. The options are there and it's for the voters to make it known that they want something to happen, if that's what they want that is. Maybe you don't really want these things, and then it's of course as easy as to do nothing. The current fad is to talk about how countries like Sweden used to be great and that they are now ruined due to immigration, but the fact is that before all of this the right in the US still had few good things to say about Sweden, just talking about how bad it was with our welfare system, free healthcare, free higher education, etc. So maybe such things are just unwanted and there's no issue at all, as it's the American people that chooses for their country and no one else.
 
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