Project Veritas: Deep State Dbags admit sabotaging POTUS, Hatch Act violations, hiding evidence, etc

JamesRussler said:
Correct. He has influence over many organizations (some of which contract with the government) and politicians, but Soros himself is not “Deep State” per se.
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At least you are consistent, unlike others that believe in a Deep State that is some how controlled by outside liberal influences.

One thing though, you can’t have your cake and eat it too. The same percentage of conservatives as democrats should be part of this conspiracy as noted by Woodward and the Op-ed author, that high ranking Republicans kept information from Trump or prevented him from seeing documents.
 
dontsnitch said:
Right, so he obviously cares about publicity enough to sacrifice some of his integrity. It's enough for me to raise an eyebrow considering the truth here is more than enough to carry you.
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Nothing stopped me from watching the entire video...
 
JamesRussler said:
He obviously does that to keep the story in the media longer. Yeah it would be nice to have it all at once, but we know how easy it is for MSM to bury inconvenient stories.

As for the commentary, it’s absolutely necessary. A lot of the misconduct here isn’t immediately apparent to a layperson who doesn’t know the laws and regulations governing federal employee conduct. And trust me, no one is going to watch hours of raw footage just to hear a few minutes worth of juicy statements. My only criticism of PV’s production is the background setting. Why is it being filmed in an abandoned warehouse? Is that some kind of new hipster aesthetic?
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I see a point in that the unedited tape may be too sophisticated or daunting for your average rube. Although, there's no reason he can't release the unedited tape in addition to this.
 
Ophydian said:
At least you are consistent, unlike others that believe in a Deep State that is some how controlled by outside liberal influences.

One thing though, you can’t have your cake and eat it too. The same percentage of conservatives as democrats should be part of this conspiracy as noted by Woodward and the Op-ed author, that high ranking Republicans kept information from Trump or prevented him from seeing documents.
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Soros is very active in politics, so perhaps that's where the confusion comes from.

I don't think we can meaningfully dichotomize the Deep State between "Liberals" and "Conservatives" because there are plenty of both groups who have respectable/honorable positions on this issue. If anything, I'd brand Deep State-ers as "Statists," i.e. people who believe that authority to govern comes from the government itself, and that the government always knows best. That said, there are far more Liberals / Leftists who hold Statist views, more of them are staffed in the federal government, and they are far more inclined to take activist stances (usually under the banner of "civil disobedience"). As I said before, probably somewhere around 80% of the federal workforce leans Liberal / Leftist / Democratic / Socialist based on available data (and that's a conservative estimate).

To be fair, there are some self-identified Republicans who hold statist views and act in furtherance of bureaucratic interests (Bob Mueller is one of them, so I hear). I'm not trying to have my cake and eat it. If some Republican bureaucrat tries to subvert the POTUS, I want them to be severely punished.
 
dontsnitch said:
I see a point in that the unedited tape may be too sophisticated or daunting for your average rube. Although, there's no reason he can't release the unedited tape in addition to this.
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He can, but there's no benefit from his angle, so I doubt he would. If there's an official investigation opened, the feds will probably get a copy of the raw footage.
 
Madmick said:
They opened en media res, and they're clearly not concerned with presenting unedited footage or not wasting my time because they kept jumping around while spending 3 minutes telling me what they want me to think in between the cuts.
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Well aren't you the skeptic all of a sudden. Tip of the fedora to you, good sir. <Gordonhat>

Yet you have zero evidence to support this, and I doubt you can cite a single body that exists similar to Project Veritas which is wholly consumed by pursuing these "gotcha" candid vids.
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The federal workforce is disproportionately comprised of Democrats, probably around 80/20 Dems. No, we don't have access to their vote history—all we have is data about their donations, which range between 90-99% Democratic depending on the agency. Even assuming Republicans / Conservatives in federal service tend to make political donations at a lower rate, 80% Liberal / Left / Democrat is a conservative estimate. Since you're a skeptic, this probably isn't enough for you. For normies, it's pretty obvious who is running the bureaucracy.

I didn't concede anything because I never assumed the opposite position, but it isn't even clear if he violated that law. I leave it to his superiors and the government lawyers to determine that.
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On the contrary, it is quite clear that this idiot violated the Hatch Act. He admitted it. Consider it a foundational fact. The remedy for this sort of violation usually includes a fine or formal reprimand, but since he admitted to destroying evidence of it (which is also a crime btw), he will likely be terminated. Here's a little primer on the HA, for your enrichment.

You're going to have to do a lot better if you want people to believe there's actually a "deep state" instead of just one low-level bureaucrat who was happy under Obama, has more free time under Trump, and seeks fulfillment by trying to fill up his day doing what he thinks is important work.

Did they not release the entire dinner conversation uncut? It's quite telling if they didn't considering their established history where they deliberately edit these videos, present them out of context to misconstrue what the person is saying, or outright mislead the viewer into believing that person said something they didn't intend to say. Snooze button. The Van Jones video was such a bore, and clearly Russia didn't turn out to be a #nothingburger.
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Frankly, nobody needs to convince you of anything Mick. These creeps could throw a baby in a wood chipper and you'd still be runnin' interference for 'em. Normal people are outraged when they see this sort of thing, and this is by no means the only instance.

Now get back to clerking.
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Get back to... My Little Pony? Fedora tipping? Whatever it is you do.
 
A couple of low level knuckleheads with zero authority or responsibility think they are cooler than they actually are.

Will Project Veritas next interview Becca from Northwest High School? I hear she is trying to usurp authority within the prom committy. Mia and Trevor want the theme to be "under the sea", but Becca is being pretty underhanded by trying to push the votes to "Starry Starry Night".
 
Those people are fucking RETARDED. Especially the girl Allison Hrabar. Have fun in prison.
 
7437 said:
Big fan of this huh


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Mostly, but not always. Veritas has been at it way longer than Trump has.

The truth is, I've been dealing with bureaucracy's my entire career and nothing good ever comes from it. It's a flawed idea, and the people that ultimately pay for it need to know.
 
JamesRussler said:
  1. The "Deep State" consists of the federal bureaucracy, more specifically the civil servants who are "career employees" within their respective agencies. These people remain across various administrations, and they cannot be easily fired. These can be high ranking people (e.g. Rod Rosenstein), but they can be low ranking people too. The point is, they are acting in defiance of the President, i.e., their lawful boss, and the People's elected representative.
  2. I don't know how high up Mr. Karaffa is, but having any position in the State Department puts him in a position of government authority, and gives him access to information that the general public can't access.
  3. There are numerous examples of "Deep State" actors defying the will of the President. I think Congress should crack down on this hard, and the Courts should be equally skeptical of any self-serving agency actions.
  4. The far Left posters on this forum are in outright denial. It was always bad, but it got worse after the 2016 election.
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That is not what the deep state is.

The deep state is a nebulous loosely organized group of people from the intelligence agencies who's goal is to keep America at the forefront of the global economy.

That's what it has always been, that's what it will always be.
 
Well so far in these videos there are four "bad apples" and each claim multiple others are doing it and are well aware of what they are doing.
 
trident said:
That is not what the deep state is.

The deep state is a nebulous loosely organized group of people from the intelligence agencies who's goal is to keep America at the forefront of the global economy.

That's what it has always been, that's what it will always be.
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Nah, it’s a bunch of smug pencil-necked cubicle dwellers whose goal is to drink fruity cocktails from hipster mason jars at 4:30 pm happy hour.
 
It's an unfortunate biproduct of polarized political parties that you have huge numbers of career bureaucrats working under elected and appointed leaders on the opposite end of the political spectrum. Every president deals with it, Nixon tried to reform it but the bureaucracy adapts to change. It's not a Trump specific problem, these departments only accomplish anything because experienced, capable people do the day to day work, that requires folks to stay in these departments for decades. But, since the executive branch flips every 8 years, these people are serving half their careers under people whose platforms they don't necessarily support.

Consider the college republicans who all took department jobs under Reagan in the 80s. They had 12 years of Bush policies that were just extensions of the policies they supported at hiring, 16 years of Clinton/Obama centrist policies that weren't particularly in line with 80s conservative values, and they'll retire under Trump who only truly believes in the element of surprise. These people need to keep being productive despite the changes above them, that requires some personally defined moral/political compass.
 
Here's a highlight reel of fallout from this week's Project Veritas "Deep State Unmasked" installments. Investigations have been opened as to all the federal employees who appeared on camera, including investigations of possible crimes. Several MSM outlets have reported on Project Veritas's revelations:



Note that Project Veritas's page states this is "A highlight reel from the first week of Project Veritas' Deep State Unmasked series." Will there be more installments in this series next week?
 
Not the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree to admit to such things to people that aren't close friends or family.
 
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