Prime Tim Sylvia would have beaten Werdum and Volkov last night.

[Oooxente]

..and not just beaten but dominated. That was two of the top contenders at HW in 2018, embarrasing. Stipe is so lucky to be the only top HW in his prime in this era, thats the only reason he is dominating.

Discuss.

This Timmeh was a respectable fighter.

He could be a problem to anyone today at Hw.
Even Stipe.

He was also boring.

 

[marwash]

Discuss.

no.

 

[superpunch]

I think this is a half truth. Guys like Stipe, Cain (when healthy) and JDS from a few years back are probably among the best HWs we've ever seen together with maybe Werdum from a few years back and prime horsemeat Overeem. But it's a very top heavy division and has been for quite some time. As it stands now the only guys who I see as comparable to the old guard is Stipe and Cain. Ngannou would have a good chance to KO people as well, I feel he's underrated right now.

we see stuff through rose colored classes looking into the past

truth is 2005 guys looked good against each other but they had very bad skill deficiencies that would get them demolished today.

cro cop was 220 lbs and had poor grappling. that was OK when the best grappler he would face might be Big Nog. We got guys like Brock Lesnar and Stipe today though.. 220 lbs and poor grappling just isn't going to cut it.

Big Nog's grappling is, truthfully, good for 2005 but the game's evolved and his grappling is Struve level or a bit worse than Frank Mir's. It's not finishing anyone today. His boxing that he's known for? No head movement and static. He gets lit up by Stipe, JDS, etc. And he's not taking JDS down.

Top guys today are just on another level. Only guy who could compete with them is Fedor.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

we see stuff through rose colored classes looking into the past

truth is 2005 guys looked good against each other but they had very bad skill deficiencies that would get them demolished today.

cro cop was 220 lbs and had poor grappling. that was OK when the best grappler he would face might be Big Nog. We got guys like Brock Lesnar and Stipe today though.. 220 lbs and poor grappling just isn't going to cut it.

Big Nog's grappling is, truthfully, good for 2005 but the game's evolved and his grappling is Struve level or a bit worse than Frank Mir's. It's not finishing anyone today. His boxing that he's known for? No head movement and static. He gets lit up by Stipe, JDS, etc. And he's not taking JDS down.

Top guys today are just on another level. Only guy who could compete with them is Fedor.

No, we don't have guys like Brock because we have USADA.


Ngannou can't grapple any better than Crocop. Neither can Hunt. Neither can Derrick Lewis.

They're all top 5 HW's right now.


Actually almost everything you just said was outright false.

 

[Ares Black]

..and not just beaten but dominated. That was two of the top contenders at HW in 2018, embarrasing. Stipe is so lucky to be the only top HW in his prime in this era, thats the only reason he is dominating.

Discuss.

Prime Tim Sylvia would get destroyed by either of them. He sucked.

 

[Ares Black]

Never forget that prime Sylvia koed prime Arlovski.

Even in his prime Arlovski was a glass cannon.

 

[Flex Plexico]

Doom or Alex clocks timmay ala Mercer

 

[DayV]

we see stuff through rose colored classes looking into the past

truth is 2005 guys looked good against each other but they had very bad skill deficiencies that would get them demolished today.

cro cop was 220 lbs and had poor grappling. that was OK when the best grappler he would face might be Big Nog. We got guys like Brock Lesnar and Stipe today though.. 220 lbs and poor grappling just isn't going to cut it.


Top guys today are just on another level. Only guy who could compete with them is Fedor.

Lesnar would end like Ron Waterman, who was not worse fighter than Brock, at least equaly big and strong, but for the difference, Waterman knew submissions and submitted V. Overeem and Randleman with kimuras.

Cro Cop also beat Coleman, Randleman, Fujita, Herring, Barnett, Sakuraba, and Olympic wrestler Dos Caras & judo Olympic gold medail Yoshida in those times.

His problem next to mileage, were UFC rules and cage. You cant wear and tire him in long wire fence clinch in the ring, no fence dirty boxing, much shorter allowed clinch time in Japan, no big round space of octagon without corners to circle and move around and avoid kicks and manage distance.
Easier to defend on the ground with no elbows, easier to punish failed takedown with soccer kicks and knees on downed opponents.

Mirko`s size disadvantage was much more emphased in unified rules and cage, but could be much more compensated in the ring and Pride rules.

In Cro Cop`s case it was not evolution of HW division that costed him, it was change of rules and environment next to mileage and injuries.

 

[Prutfis]

Prime Goober Taylor would have made a better thread

 

[daniel san]

What's up with all these Tim Sylvia appreciation threads? He wasn't a terrible fighter that some make him out to be, but he would not be an elite HW in today's division (even if the division hasn't changed much over the years). He was good at using his jab to keep his opponents at a distance, but other than that his striking wasn't particularly good and his ground game wasn't effective. He was good at using his size, had he been a smaller fighter he would not had the success he had.

 

[MMonk]

Werdum subs him , because he is better than Nog.

Volkovwill use reach and technique, and his karate background, Tim hasn't fought anyone like him.

Volkov 3 rnd TKO.

 

[lorenzofertatta]

New breed!

 

[LilChuckLil]

..and not just beaten but dominated. That was two of the top contenders at HW in 2018, embarrasing. Stipe is so lucky to be the only top HW in his prime in this era, thats the only reason he is dominating.

Discuss.

 

[MCS]

I agree. Sylvia's jab and 1-2 would've shut down Volkov. Werdum more so as he'd look like Nog vs Tim, but without the heart to pull off a comeback. Instead swung with his eyes closed like against Stipe.

 

[lorenzofertatta]

we see stuff through rose colored classes looking into the past

truth is 2005 guys looked good against each other but they had very bad skill deficiencies that would get them demolished today.

cro cop was 220 lbs and had poor grappling. that was OK when the best grappler he would face might be Big Nog. We got guys like Brock Lesnar and Stipe today though.. 220 lbs and poor grappling just isn't going to cut it.

Big Nog's grappling is, truthfully, good for 2005 but the game's evolved and his grappling is Struve level or a bit worse than Frank Mir's. It's not finishing anyone today. His boxing that he's known for? No head movement and static. He gets lit up by Stipe, JDS, etc. And he's not taking JDS down.

Top guys today are just on another level. Only guy who could compete with them is Fedor.

"Guys like Brock lesnar and Stipe.."??
Pride rules Mirko was the perfect anti wrestler and shrugged Mark Coleman and Ron Waterman off like nothing. A young Mirko under Pride rules would have sprawled and socker kicked Lesnar´s head into the 3rd row. Stipe is a great fighter but he is no more of a grappling wizard than the old guard.

 

[kaya]

Prime Tim beat Ricco Rodriguez, who had just been over in Pride making Big Nog look fairly foolish.

Hate on Tim all you want -- he had a window.

 

[chinarice]

..and not just beaten but dominated. That was two of the top contenders at HW in 2018, embarrasing. Stipe is so lucky to be the only top HW in his prime in this era, thats the only reason he is dominating.

Discuss.

Prime Sylvia is juiced Sylvia... He probably fails a USADA test and weighs 360 lbs, therefore not even making the HW limit.

 

[flyingscissorsheelhook]

Prime Tim Sylvia popped for steroids pre-usada.

 

[x__stylez__x]

When you say “Prime”, do you mean the Stanozolol version of Timmah?

 

[Muppettoker]

Prime werdum would beat the werdum and volkov of the other night