Prime (in shape) Duran vs prime "Money" Floyd

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    Who would win and how this fight would go? Duran at his peak in his best shape with best motivation ever vs peak "Money" calculated Floyd with his 49-0 record and huge amount of money on the line... Discuss...
     
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  2. Seano Hands of bone

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    eh, it easy but people will pretend its a tough fight to break down. Floyd would school him. Duran didn't beat guys like Floyd.

    The thing is, everyone will say every time Duran lost, it was because he "wasn't in shape." Well, sorry, being in shape is part of the game. Its like saying someone only lost because they lost more rounds or got knocked out.

    Duran was a great fighter but he was fairly textbook in his style. Not that thats a bad thing but Floyd struggled with guys with weird timing and movement. Thats not Duran. On the other hand, take a guy with good timing and technique, like Benitez, and Duran was lost.

    Duran wouldn't be able to drag Floyd into a war like he did Leonard.

    People who pick Duran are just ignoring all the facts about the 2 fighters and picking with their hearts.
     
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  3. sportkillergreg Brown Belt

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    Duran definitely.

    Hands of stone > hands of foam
     
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    Duran would bring too much pressure to bear on Floyd. He wouldn't like it at all. I think Duran wins by a fierce mauling and we get to see Floyd put horribly out of his game. Floyd just doesn't have the firepower to keep a rampaging Duran off of him, he would have no room to breathe.
     
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    So you're counting on Duran to be out of shape vs Floyd? That seems like a stretch. He often was in shape.
     
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    Duran feinted, jabbed well, and strung his shot together really well. He moved his head well. The two times (though there certainly are more) that immediately come to mind when I think of Mayweather getting rattled came from a measuring jab and a right hand behind that. Guess what? Duran did that all the time.

    The Duran that fought in Montreal and won the WW title has all the right stuff (plus probably better stamina since he fought 15 rounds). He feints, hits from crafty angles and those two things affect a defensive specialist because defense is predicated on anticipation. He's the busier, craftier inside fighter (don't even start on Mayweather being a better inside fighter, even though he's good). When a fighter threw a punch "off rhythm" or changed their combo pattern (for instance sneaking in an extra right) Mayweather would get caught. Duran could win. Definitely. Decisions him probabaly if it's at WW.
     
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    Against Money, really?

    I’ll just leave this here…

     
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    We still don't really know the caliber of Floyd's power. What we do know is everyone, even Canelo, said he has good enough power to get your attention. They all say the snap is so sharp that if you aren't paying attention he can put you down. It's a good fight, but I think the defense and the ability to minimize what people do once he adjusts is the difference. Duran didn't really have difficult timing. Floyd could do one or both of two things with Duran. Let him try to maul him, and tie his ass up on the inside and catch him repeatedly with sneaky counters on the inside and roll the return punches from Duran. OR Floyd could keep distance and pot shot Duran into frustration. Too many times you guys look at these fantasy match-ups and focus on the offensive prowess of the boxers, when in reality when looking at a match against Mayweather the real question is, how is the opponent gonna get to Floyd consistently to score MORE THAN FLOYD would be scoring. Afterall thats been Floyd's game the last 10 years.
    How is Duran gonna deal with FLOYD'S offense? Thinking Duran is just gonna overwhelm Mayweather is just not as easy as you guys think. Floyd will answer, and what will Duran be able to do when Floyd wants to score? Thats the bigger equation when talking about fantasy matches against Floyd.

    Close fight, Floyd by decision.
     
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  9. Seano Hands of bone

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    So you think Floyd would fight in a phone booth like Leonard did v Duran?

    Every time this thread comes up, people imagine Floyd in the sort of fight he was never in and suddenly envision Duran solving all the problems he had with a good slick boxer, or they pick the worst version of Floyd we ever saw against the best version of Duran.

    Prime for prime, the best version of Floyd, around the time he stepped up to WW wouldn't even lose a round.
     
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    This thread seems to pop up every month.

    Anyway I would choose Duran. More versatile technician and with hands of stone.
     
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    Floyd wins at least 8 of 12 rounds

    Don't be silly
     
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    People let their dislike for Floyd get in the way of seeing how good he really was. I'd have to agree and say prime vs prime, I'd take Floyd to win a decision 117-111.
     
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    Duran is not a great stylistic matchup for Floyd. He had a working jab, which is a must against Mayweather, but I would not see him doing his sublime bodywork. Floyd would wrap him up until the ref broke them up. Floyd may not have much power, but he scores points, and his timing keeps opponents unable to throw often. I would favor Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns over Floyd heavily, but not Duran, as awesome as he was.
     
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    Floyd wins more often than not. However, if Castillo could threaten him putting pressure, cutting the ring, roughing him up and throwing body shots, Duran at LW does have a shot.
     
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    At their best , it's a very interesting fight with the slight edge for Duran. His inside work and body shots could cause a lot of problems for Floyd not to mention that left that he could throw at awkward angles .... but definitely one of the most interesting fantasy fights
     
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    I don't think Floyd has enough power to get Durans attention and keep him at bay. I think Duran walks through Floyds punches. Duran was teak tough. That's how I think he deals with the offence of Floyd, he just ignores it. I think choice of ref really plays an important factor in a matchup though. If a ref just lets Floyd clinch up and breaks them like he did with the Hatton fight then that would really hamper Duran. Will Floyd be allowed to get away with his holding tactics that's a pertinent question.
     
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    Seano, the guy had literal hands of stone. I think you're forgetting that
     
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    I never bought this walk through punches phrase, and I mean that for all fighters. You get hit clean, you get hit. It will get your attention. I find it hard to believe a guy that got KOd by Pat Lawlor has some kind of superman chin to just walk in and completly ignore Floyd hitting him flush. Everyone knows Floyd has literally shut down his offense for at least 10 years now. And still has an over 50% KO ratio. Duran was no God. Any good "boxer" he fought, he lost to.
     
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    Maybe you're also picking a bit with your heart although you do make some valid points? I don't excuse all of Duran's losses because he was out of shape, some yes, but he also not only fought bigger men but all time greats in their primes.

    You seem to be pretty consistent in not taking size differences into account so that's just something we differ in but Duran taking on Hagler would be pretty similar to Floyd facing GGG. Can you really equate that loss as a knock on Duran's career or abilities in his prime or was it a moral victory that adds to his legacy by making it a competetive fight?

    I think they both had the type of style that would give each other problems but at 135/140 pounds and in their primes I'd have to go with Duran. I just can't see him losing the rounds anytime Floyd fought against the ropes.

    Maybe he would be able to keep the fight in the center of the ring enough to win with his counterpunching but I just don't see that happening.
     
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