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Screw it, I'll just keep responding to the thread seriously 
Most of the population have no clue about combat sports. Watch any MMA or boxing event, or whatever, with a so called "casual"(most people) and comments like "why doesn't he just stand up?`", and "I would have done this and that" makes it very clear. Even within the martial arts community itself, there is a disparity between people who think something will work, who do not spar or train full contact, and people who have tested their techniques over and over again in fighting or live sparring.
This is mostly anecdotal, but the majority of people I've met in my life who has seen someone who is strong in some lifts, has expressed awe(which is cool) and fear of their fighting ability. Consequently, many strong gym goers feel they are real badasses, ergo can kick someones ass, ergo has good fighting ability. All because they lift weights and have broad shoulders. There is a sense of barbell strenght directly correlating to manliness, and with that, ability to defend or destroy. I think that is a very primal thing in us all. Seems to me, the consensus here is big mucles = dangerous guy.
Let's zoom in on Sherdog a little and start with the heavies. The plethora of threads on for instance Jones' powerlifting showed how little people know again. It was either a) he will destroy everyone because of it, or b) he will gas in two seconds.
Most troubleling though, imo, is right here on S&C discussion. We've had these battles before, but there are a few camps who either indirectly or directly feels that high numbers = ability to kick ass, or atleast they express themselves as such. It's been twofold. The first part is all the discussions about different training methods and strenght and conditioning in MMA. To many, it's always "do more squats", or whatever. I love squats, don't get me wrong, but maybe time is better spent elsewhere. I do agree that it depends on a lot of factors, and where the person is right now in their martial arts stage.
Second part is the abrasive behaviour of some of the regular posters on here. Look through some of the threads. As Nate Diaz would have said so beautifully, "you're pumped up". The tone is sooo macho with stuff like "I'd kick their ass", and everyone is a weak sissy and so forth. Actually it's much worse here, in the S&C, than in the standup, or grappling section, with people who actually fight. That should tell you something. Everyone is a tough guy, and why? Because they lift weights. They don't get their ego checked. It's disrespectful to those guys who busts their asses and get their face kicked each day, to become a better fighter. Which leads me to my first point about gym goers. I don't know why it gets to me, but it does. And those people would be very surprised how little all those years with the barbells would help in a gym, or in a ring. Yes, aggression and size does help on the street, but it still doesn't help much against someone who knows what they are doing.
I feel, that most people both in the real world and on here overrated barbell training, and I stand by that. You are not one of those people. They really should try to go to a boxing gym, or roll with good grapplers, it's completely different.
Anyway, that's my rant!
I'm with you on this one. Strenght training, which PL is a big part of, is great for injury prevention and such. Well, beneficial/correct motor learning too, but that's a bit more complex. And you are right, especially for people who have lived a sedentary lifestyle and have little, or no base from their youth. I think that is a pretty big reason why I tore my ACL when I began wrestling. I was a fat slob going too hard after being on the couch for many years.
Hey Jaunty. I know I'm being a bit headstrong, but bear with me. Your perspective is quite unique, and I think it's important to make the distinction. Let me explain what I feel is the consensus and let's expand the view a little. Let's start from the top.
Most of the population have no clue about combat sports. Watch any MMA or boxing event, or whatever, with a so called "casual"(most people) and comments like "why doesn't he just stand up?`", and "I would have done this and that" makes it very clear. Even within the martial arts community itself, there is a disparity between people who think something will work, who do not spar or train full contact, and people who have tested their techniques over and over again in fighting or live sparring.
This is mostly anecdotal, but the majority of people I've met in my life who has seen someone who is strong in some lifts, has expressed awe(which is cool) and fear of their fighting ability. Consequently, many strong gym goers feel they are real badasses, ergo can kick someones ass, ergo has good fighting ability. All because they lift weights and have broad shoulders. There is a sense of barbell strenght directly correlating to manliness, and with that, ability to defend or destroy. I think that is a very primal thing in us all. Seems to me, the consensus here is big mucles = dangerous guy.
Let's zoom in on Sherdog a little and start with the heavies. The plethora of threads on for instance Jones' powerlifting showed how little people know again. It was either a) he will destroy everyone because of it, or b) he will gas in two seconds.
Most troubleling though, imo, is right here on S&C discussion. We've had these battles before, but there are a few camps who either indirectly or directly feels that high numbers = ability to kick ass, or atleast they express themselves as such. It's been twofold. The first part is all the discussions about different training methods and strenght and conditioning in MMA. To many, it's always "do more squats", or whatever. I love squats, don't get me wrong, but maybe time is better spent elsewhere. I do agree that it depends on a lot of factors, and where the person is right now in their martial arts stage.
Second part is the abrasive behaviour of some of the regular posters on here. Look through some of the threads. As Nate Diaz would have said so beautifully, "you're pumped up". The tone is sooo macho with stuff like "I'd kick their ass", and everyone is a weak sissy and so forth. Actually it's much worse here, in the S&C, than in the standup, or grappling section, with people who actually fight. That should tell you something. Everyone is a tough guy, and why? Because they lift weights. They don't get their ego checked. It's disrespectful to those guys who busts their asses and get their face kicked each day, to become a better fighter. Which leads me to my first point about gym goers. I don't know why it gets to me, but it does. And those people would be very surprised how little all those years with the barbells would help in a gym, or in a ring. Yes, aggression and size does help on the street, but it still doesn't help much against someone who knows what they are doing.
I feel, that most people both in the real world and on here overrated barbell training, and I stand by that. You are not one of those people. They really should try to go to a boxing gym, or roll with good grapplers, it's completely different.
Anyway, that's my rant!
