Power Hungry UC Berkeley Cop takes all cash from a Hotdog Street Vendor's wallet. Right or Wrong? | Page 6

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  1. EL GOAT Orange Belt

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    You obviously have never been to Berkeley and know nothing about the people...I swear, you people believe that all these people are coming here to become communist and not get some good job that pays good.....Damn you're delusional.
     
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  2. Cubo de Sangre Gold Belt

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    The contents of the man's wallet offer up jack shit in terms of evidence. Don't we expect adults to carry some cash? Unless they also bagged up his wieners, buns, and grill, I'm calling bullshit.
     
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  3. dembones22 Green Belt

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    I think you are right. It's not fair to the other street venders that have permits.

    However, you seem to very mad at this man for taking yer jerb.

    EDIT: It's also bull shit that he steals the money from his wallet.

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    [<cena1} .
     
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  4. Kalitaur Orange Belt

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    That is basically the problem; the potential for corruption is just too high given the way the law is currently written. The spirit of the law is directed toward enabling law enforcement agencies with the ability to potentially cripple criminal organizations by seizing assets and funds, which is good. The problem comes when those agencies start to view the law as an alternative method of funding for their departments.

    John Oliver did a decent piece on civil forfeiture corruption a few years ago. I don't always agree with Oliver, but IMO when he stays away from politics on his show, it's actually not bad. I think my favorite part is where the Montgomery county PD used seized assets to buy Crown Royal and a margarita machine for their office party...



    Regardless of how badly civil forfeiture laws need to be rewritten, the hot dog guy either didn't know he needed a permit (and now he definitely does), or he knew, gambled against not getting caught, and lost.
     
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  5. EL GOAT Orange Belt

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    WOW that's some #1 bullshit.
     
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  6. Madmick Stop Spoiling My TV Life (it's the one I like)

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    You're ignorant.

    No, of course what you just said is crap. The sentiment is this: who cares about these lawbreakers if they can't abide by the laws and rules that are the same for everyone. They are not unjust. They are not racist. They are laws that have evolved based on a culture of business that has endured while becoming increasingly sophisticated and messy for centuries. They are the same for everyone.

    If these criminals can't compete with restaurants playing by the same regulations and rules as the restaurant-owners, then maybe they shouldn't have their stands out at a UC Berkeley football game in the first place. Got your criminal assets seized? Whoops. Guess you shouldn't have been out there.
     
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  7. Protectandserve Brown Belt

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    Berkely should work on having their cops properly addressing riots and the Antifa bullshit.

    I hate people who call and complain about this shit. Let the dude sell his damn hot dogs.
     
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  8. spamking Proud Okie/Type 01 FFL Dealer

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    They didn't when I conducted them . . .

    Which is why notice was never given to them when I conducted an inspection. Totally defeats the purpose of doing one.
     
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  9. spamking Proud Okie/Type 01 FFL Dealer

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    Of course an inspector isn't there 24/7. That's not the point. The point is as an inspector you want folks to do things the right way because it'll bring them more business. Word gets around about dirty, filthy vendors. Health Inspectors have nothing to do with that aspect of it though. We conduct the inspection and can issue the permit or not based on what we see at the time or based on complaints related to a business.

    Totally not getting point . . . depending on the number of inspectors and businesses they very well could be inspected one/year and call it good. However, that's not always the case. You people would whine and complain about a filthy hot dog stand getting someone sick and wonder why nobody shut them down.
     
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  10. spamking Proud Okie/Type 01 FFL Dealer

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    Holy crap . . . who would you blame if you ate at a restaurant and got deathly ill? If you survived (and folks haven't) who would you take legal action against to recover medical costs? If vendor permits are retarded, why do you think you would have any right to potentially take legal action and recover any of your costs?
     
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  11. spamking Proud Okie/Type 01 FFL Dealer

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    Really? I've known several "poor minorities" who were very successful at obtaining the required permits to make a living. They understood (like apparently many here don't) that in order to make a living or do business that they needed to meet various requirements.
     
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  12. spamking Proud Okie/Type 01 FFL Dealer

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    Taking the products is really all they should've done IMO. Give the guy a ticket and move on. If you see him selling again check for a permit. If he doesn't have one then take the next legal steps to get him off the streets.
     
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    I'm not sure I buy the corruption angle on this one, despite there being some validity to the larger more general argument about civil forfeiture leading to such things.

    How much money are we talking about here? A hundred bucks? Two hundred? And it's not like it goes directly into someones pocket. The idea that a beat cop is thinking that he will pad his departments budget (and thus somehow gain from this) over some hotdog cash seems odd. Not impossible, but odd.

    To me it seems like something a rookie would do, by going by the book and not applying leeway to things, but I don't know much about the situation.
     
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    Yes, but civil forfeiture is wrong. It's completely and totally wrong. It's legalized robbery of civilians by police. Fuck that.
     
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    So does that mean you're against Uber and Air BnB? I agree, mind you, but this principle should be applied equally.
     
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    There are always exceptions. Some people are very successful at navigating red tape. But most of this type of regulatory licensing only serves to protect the more established businesses by raising the cost of entry into various markets.

    Shouldn't need a two year degree to do someone's nails.
     
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    It's a douche move, but it's the law - just like they don't have to prove you bought your car with drug money to seize it.

    I did notice that Juan is up to 74k on go fund me. So hopefully he'll use that money to get the correct permits and put a little away.
     
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  18. spamking Proud Okie/Type 01 FFL Dealer

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    Keeping new businesses out of a market is a legitimate concern and is very likely a partial reason for the processes in place in larger metro areas.

    Doing someone's nails might not need to require a two-year degree, but they definitely need to receive various and specific training/certifications before actually doing it. You wouldn't go get a tattoo from some unsanitary, unlicensed tattoo artist would you?
     
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    criminals lol did he touch you with his wiener?
     
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  20. Giblert I'm still not surprised

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    Great post madmick.

    $10k goal, up to $76k now.

    Lucky guy!
     
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