Trump Strips Former CIA Chief John Brennan of Security Clearance

Is Trump Stripping Security Clearances a good or bad thing?


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You don't know what evidence they've collected so far. Apparently it's enough that even his own appointees have authorized a Special Counsel and the investigation is still running despite Trump's protestations. If you're honest just the Goldstone e-mails and the fact the meeting took place is enough to warrant an investigation. Add Trump's overtures to Russia, Cambridge Analytica's connection to Russia, Manafort's connection to Russia, Flynn's lies, the attempts at cover ups, etc..., and is anyone seriously baffled there's an investigation? Yes, we're all innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, but there is such a thing as criminals.
Our system of justice works under the assumption that you're innocent until proven guilty.

Whether you're consciously aware of it or not, in this one instance, you're working under the assumption that you're guilty until proven innocent.

Your assumptions goal is far closer to revenge , then it is to justice.
 
Our system of justice works under the assumption that you're innocent until proven guilty.

Whether you're consciously aware of it or not, in this one instance, you're working under the assumption that you're guilty until proven innocent.

Your assumptions goal is far closer to revenge , then it is to justice.
You are mistaken. There's evidence of crimes and it's being investigated. When it reaches it's conclusion we won't need to speculate. We're all innocent until proven guilty because we have due process. Allow that process to play out and stop trying to discredit it with lies and conspiracy theories.
 
You are mistaken. There's evidence of crimes and it's being investigated.
Evidence you have no knowledge of. Again, it's abundantly clear your personal assumption is that President Trump is guilty until proven innocent.

That assumption is far closer to a desire for revenge, then a desire for justice.

When it reaches it's conclusion we won't need to speculate. We're all innocent until proven guilty because we have due process. Allow that process to play out and stop trying to discredit it with lies and conspiracy theories.
I'm not the one pushing conspiracy theories.

Unless you consider the concept of being innocent until proven guilty some kind of "conspiracy theory".
 
Evidence you have no knowledge of. Again, it's abundantly clear your personal assumption is that President Trump is guilty until proven innocent.

That assumption is far closer to a desire for revenge, then a desire for justice.


I'm not the one pushing conspiracy theories.

Unless you consider the concept of being innocent until proven guilty some kind of "conspiracy theory".
"You don't know what evidence they've collected so far. Apparently it's enough that even his own appointees have authorized a Special Counsel and the investigation is still running despite Trump's protestations. If you're honest just the Goldstone e-mails and the fact the meeting took place is enough to warrant an investigation. Add Trump's overtures to Russia, Cambridge Analytica's connection to Russia, Manafort's connection to Russia, Flynn's lies, the attempts at cover ups, etc..."
 
Naah... It's a sham perpetuated by crybabies who got stomped in an election by a guy who hurts their feelings.

I love that persons like you can reduce all of public policy to one team versus another team, with every policy position being based on hurt feelings.

It's almost as if you're projecting your own simplistic worldview.
 
"You don't know what evidence they've collected so far. Apparently it's enough that even his own appointees have authorized a Special Counsel and the investigation is still running despite Trump's protestations. If you're honest just the Goldstone e-mails and the fact the meeting took place is enough to warrant an investigation. Add Trump's overtures to Russia, Cambridge Analytica's connection to Russia, Manafort's connection to Russia, Flynn's lies, the attempts at cover ups, etc..."

That's an interesting list of things done by people who aren't President Trump.

So you've demonstrated that you have absolutely no knowledge, or even potential knowledge of any evidence against President Trump.

Yet you're still clearly operating under the assumption that he is guilty until proven innocent.

Would you be willing to accept the possibility that your conclusion was arrived at emotionally, and not logically?
 
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That's an interesting list of things done by people who aren't President Trump.

So you've demonstrated that you have absolutely no knowledge, or even potential knowledge of any evidence against President Trump.

Yet you're still clearly operating under the assumption that he is guilty until proven innocent.

Would you be willing to accept the possibility that your conclusion was arrived to emotionally, and not logically?
I'll reiterate, Trump has not been charged with any crimes, it's possible the crimes were committed by those around him without his knowledge -or they may even have been enticed or goaded by Russia into seemingly incriminating actions- but there is enough evidence for an investigation. That he's doing everything in his power to stop it just makes him look guilty, but this isn't a case of Shrodinger's cat, Trump is either guilty or not despite there not being a verdict. We need an investigation, and not just take his word that it was just a meeting about adoptions, I mean, a witch hunt.
 
I love that persons like you can reduce all of public policy to one team versus another team, with every policy position being based on hurt feelings.

It's almost as if you're projecting your own simplistic worldview.

However many "teams" you want to divide your "persons" up into, they all got stomped (by a guy who hurts their feelings).

It is simple.
 
this has got to be the longest Troll job in the history of sherdog.
 
However many "teams" you want to divide your "persons" up into, they all got stomped (by a guy who hurts their feelings).

It is simple.

I disagree, I don't think the short term triumphs of a one-man-Ego machine are "destroying" anyone who spends a little while thinking bout what is important in life.

Nor that they are transforming anything but legions of Americans who feel they want to stomp the other Americans, hopefully rhetorically, but perhaps literally.

In the words of T.S. Eliot, "This is all so stupid." uhm paraphrasing.

Here is the real thing:


“Reilly: The human condition...they may remember the vision they have had, but they cease to regret it, maintain themselves by the common routine, learn to avoid excessive expectation, Become tolerant of themselves and others, Giving and taking, in the usual actions what there is to give and take. They do not repine; Are contented with the morning that separates and with the evening that brings together for casual talk before the fire. Two people who know they do not understand each other, breeding children whom they do not understand and who will never understand them.

Celia: Is that the best life?

Reilly: It is a good life. Though you will not know how good until you come to the end. But you will want nothing else, and the other life will be only like a book you have read once, and lost. In a world of lunacy, violence, stupidity, greed...it is a good life.” - T.S. Eliot from The Cocktail Party


The Trump Train is here today, and whatever way it decides to totter off the tracks, even the fire from all the rhetoric and empty ideas burned by the wayside will not last long.

This canned-Nationalism will not last, for it has no real ideas, no real solutions to human longing, and is rather a lot of outrage at the changing of the human condition. Some fair, some fair too at the push-back to the coarse arrogance, banality, and soft authoritarian new world gestures of President Obama's own doing, but more flailing and bleating from a Commander and Chief who has the composure of a small child more often than not.




Spoiler alert: I am on the right side of politics, and hope for something better when whatever direction the train choose to wreck in is cleared from the civilization station.
 
I disagree, I don't think the short term triumphs of a one-man-Ego machine are "destroying" anyone who spends a little while thinking bout what is important in life.

Nor that they are transforming anything but legions of Americans who feel they want to stomp the other Americans, hopefully rhetorically, but perhaps literally.

In the words of T.S. Eliot, "This is all so stupid." uhm paraphrasing.

Here is the real thing:


“Reilly: The human condition...they may remember the vision they have had, but they cease to regret it, maintain themselves by the common routine, learn to avoid excessive expectation, Become tolerant of themselves and others, Giving and taking, in the usual actions what there is to give and take. They do not repine; Are contented with the morning that separates and with the evening that brings together for casual talk before the fire. Two people who know they do not understand each other, breeding children whom they do not understand and who will never understand them.

Celia: Is that the best life?

Reilly: It is a good life. Though you will not know how good until you come to the end. But you will want nothing else, and the other life will be only like a book you have read once, and lost. In a world of lunacy, violence, stupidity, greed...it is a good life.” - T.S. Eliot from The Cocktail Party


The Trump Train is here today, and whatever way it decides to totter off the tracks, even the fire from all the rhetoric and empty ideas burned by the wayside will not last long.

This canned-Nationalism will not last, for it has no real ideas, no real solutions to human longing, and is rather a lot of outrage at the changing of the human condition. Some fair, some fair too at the push-back to the coarse arrogance, banality, and soft authoritarian new world gestures of President Obama's own doing, but more flailing and bleating from a Commander and Chief who has the composure of a small child more often than not.




Spoiler alert: I am on the right side of politics, and hope for something better when whatever direction the train choose to wreck in is cleared from the civilization station.

It's good to hear that someone "on the right side of politics" is so focused on the President's "shoot from the hip" rhetoric that offends people rather than the not so measured response of a healthy number of his opponents. Much respect.

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It's good to hear that someone "on the right side of politics" is so focused on the President's "shoot from the hip" rhetoric that offends people rather than the not so measured response of a healthy number of his opponents. Much respect.

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They bear a striking resemblance to these guys...
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Blah blah blah
 
^ Token response of someone who just wants people to look the other way while the left spirals into a bunch of Marxist tyrants.
You're making posts seemingly without even following news coverage. You're regurgitating Trump's narrative as well as Hannity does.
 
It's good to hear that someone "on the right side of politics" is so focused on the President's "shoot from the hip" rhetoric that offends people rather than the not so measured response of a healthy number of his opponents. Much respect.

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They bear a striking resemblance to these guys...
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While we discuss support.

If someone asked you, say a child, in all honesty if the President of the United States was a good man, a man to look up to, would you say yes?
 
While we discuss support.

If someone asked you, say a child, in all honesty if the President of the United States was a good man, a man to look up to, would you say yes?

Don't deflect. He is not firebombing college campuses in a ski mask or putting a bag over people and beating the shit out of them. Nor is he ordering his political opponent's attorney's offices be searched by the Justice Department.
 
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Don't deflect. He is not firebombing college campuses in a ski mask or putting a bag over people and beating the shit out of them. Nor is he ordering his political opponents attorney's offices be searched by the Justice Department.
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