Physician appointment wait times UP 30 PERCENT from 2014 (study) (wow)

[*Z*]

Yes, I had to see a dermatologist for skin cancer. I have also saw a plastic surgery for non elective surgery for a nose job. A few members of my family have seen specialists too. My oldest brother had a brain aneurysm and had a brain surgery immediately but that was an emergency.

Most people seem happy about healthcare in Canada. The only complaints I see are it takes forever to see a specialist if you are referred to one. Doesn't sound like you have that issue. I've heard of a lot of Canadians coming over to the US and just paying out of pocket for procedures because the wait was ridiculous.

 

[Gutter Chris]

No, I mean they have quite a few and there are quite a few more that are being created pretty much every year.
And I don't mean just just scholarships, I mean they have programs where highschool students or freshman in college can apply for early admission to medschool, take an abbreviated undergrad for free and enter school early.

Im not real sure how true this is friend. Do you got anything I can read ?

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/30/doctor-shortages-heres-the-real-culprit-commentary.html

This is more my understanding of the problem. Too much money to get there too may hurtles to jump over and not much being done to change that.

 

[electricfuneral]

Most people seem happy about healthcare in Canada. The only complaints I see are it takes forever to see a specialist if you are referred to one. Doesn't sound like you have that issue. I've heard of a lot of Canadians coming over to the US and just paying out of pocket for procedures because the wait was ridiculous.

There was talk a few years back of 2 tier healthcare in Canada for the super wealthy. I think a part of is the super rich don't want to wait a day for something they want and don't want to be in the same hospital as the common rabble. I work with a lot of Japanese guys who are pretty rich and they go back to Japan for the surgeries because they think the Japanese hospitals are nicer and they can schedule it easier.

 

[Threetrees]

Im not real sure how true this is friend. Do you got anything I can read ?

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/30/doctor-shortages-heres-the-real-culprit-commentary.html

This is more my understanding of the problem. Too much money to get there too may hurtles to jump over and not much being done to change that.

http://www.minimedicalschool.com/BA_MD_programs.html
There's also the EMSSP type programs that were created for undergraduate students to get into medical school a year or two early, with the remainder of their undergraduate typically covered.
^ just off a quick google. There are lots of these programs cropping up, I more so know about them anecdotally. There are for sure problems, I wasn't attempting to disagree with your point - I was just pointing out that some institutions have begun to offer these kinds of programs.

All of the issues in that article are real ones though. It's a bit of an uphill climb.

 

[machidafan99]

It sucks so bad. And then you have to wait in the examining room another 20-25 minutes sometimes.

 

[*Z*]

There was talk a few years back of 2 tier healthcare in Canada for the super wealthy. I think a part of is the super rich don't want to wait a day for something they want and don't want to be in the same hospital as the common rabble. I work with a lot of Japanese guys who are pretty rich and they go back to Japan for the surgeries because they think the Japanese hospitals are nicer and they can schedule it easier.

So I guess there may be a little truth to it but maybe not as bad as I've heard.

 

[Pwent]

Im aware that we have these programs I am suggesting that we have even more of them and get very aggressive about it. Say we need X doctors and X nurses by x day and then do everything under the sun to make that happen.

We can do better than we are doing and dont tell me we cant.

you cant have a command economy where the government decides how many people are going to do X job. they do that in communist countries and it goes miserably every time

the free market gives us the right amount, as long as there arent artificial barriers such as exorbitant tuition costs and long residencies

 

[original doom]

In a few years the waiting rooms will be maxed out with baby boomers.

Schoola need to push more students into the health field and away from law....

 

[Makani]

In Canada I have never had to wait longer than 2 weeks to see my doctor. Usually same week.

I've had good doctors and bad. My last one would schedule you a few weeks later, if you could get an answer at his office, and then would rush you in and out unless you really hammered your problem home. New one is better in every regard. My girlfriend needs ENT visits now and then and it can be a nightmare. Specialists are definitely in short supply in some places.

 

[Rod1]

I wonder why first world people dont fly to developing countries when they need shit done.

Considering the amount of money they pay for simple things, i think you can afford the flight, surgery and a few weeks of vacations for half the price.

 

[Rod1]

Like this meme

 

[original doom]

you cant have a command economy where the government decides how many people are going to do X job. they do that in communist countries and it goes miserably every time

the free market gives us the right amount, as long as there arent artificial barriers such as exorbitant tuition costs and long residencies

The right amount...are you sure....

I think schools just need a gentle push to insure everyone doesnt go and study law. Thats partially the universities fault for taking on to many law or finance students..

 

[Gutter Chris]

you cant have a command economy where the government decides how many people are going to do X job. they do that in communist countries and it goes miserably every time

the free market gives us the right amount, as long as there arent artificial barriers such as exorbitant tuition costs and long residencies

You can do a lot just with talk and incentives without forcing anyone. People always want to jump right to the evils of communism ..... There is a lot of wiggle room between what we are doing now and that shit IMO

 

[original doom]

I wonder why first world people dont fly to developing countries when they need shit done.

Considering the amount of money they pay for simple things, i think you can afford the flight, surgery and a few weeks of vacations for half the price.

People often do when it comes to large dentist bills....the only problem is if they fuck up and your left stranded, that could happen in the west aswell...

 

[Pwent]

The right amount...are you sure....

I think schools just need a gentle push to insure everyone doesnt go and study law. Thats partially the universities fault for taking on to many law or finance students..

You can do a lot just with talk and incentives without forcing anyone. People always want to jump right to the evils of communism ..... There is a lot of wiggle room between what we are doing now and that shit IMO

yes because if we are low on doctors, doctors get paid more and more people become doctors. if we have too many, then they dont make much and less people become doctors

just like when we had too many lawyers 10 years ago so we had a bunch of unemployed lawyers and less people wanted to go to law school. or now we have a bunch of aging baby boomers so nurses make more money and more people are becoming nurses

the issue with doctors is that theres a monster barrier in terms of both time and money to become one. if we simply lower the barrier, then the market does its job

come on guys, this is basic economics 101 shit. its called the invisible hand and is one of the many reasons free markets crush command economies

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Canada is offsetting our abundance of patients dealing with understaffed GP's with giving NP's more responsibilities. It is working out as its easier for a RN to go to NP than someone to go through med school and you only have to pay an NP around 85-90k a year.

 

[Rod1]

People often do when it comes to large dentist bills....the only problem is if they fuck up and your left stranded, that could happen in the west aswell...

Stranded how? and im sure you wont go to a back-alley hospital you would go to a JCI accredited hospital.

Even if you pay out of pocket its going to be peanuts compared to what you get in the US, you can even get health insurance in a developing country for peanuts and go there when you get sick.

 

[Rod1]

yes because if we are low on doctors, doctors get paid more and more people become doctors. if we have too many, then they dont make much and less people become doctors

just like when we had too many lawyers 10 years ago so we had a bunch of unemployed lawyers and less people wanted to go to law school. or now we have a bunch of aging baby boomers so nurses make more money and more people are becoming nurses

the issue with doctors is that theres a monster barrier in terms of both time and money to become one. if we simply lower the barrier, then the market does its job

come on guys, this is basic economics 101 shit. its called the invisible hand and is one of the many reasons free markets crush command economies

There are ethical limitations to training medical students.

You cant grow humans on a farm as test subject like you can do cattle, thats why there are tons of vets and vet schools and not as many medical ones. There is also the demand side of healthcare not being elastic either.

The only place where the free market works well in healthcare is cosmetic surgery.

 

[mike sherry]

Aren't those the same thing at some point?

according to a supply demand graph yes but in reality a drop in supply of doctors is worse because it will likely continue to drop

 

[GORETAURO]

if this is because of less doctors then its bad. but if its just because more people are able to actually go to the doctor it probably isnt bad

Or it could be more people are going over shit they really don't need to because we are floating the bill.