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Does he want to penetrate his chaos?
"We're not going to validate this word salad, but here's an organization that will"Certainly seems to be the problem based off this story. What do you think the problem is?
How are they supporting the other journal? That journal is supported by itself via publication fees. Really that exchange sounds like "Your article is shit but if you really want it published talk to these guys and they'll do it for you""We're not going to validate this word salad, but here's an organization that will"
Seems like they're contributing to the problem of vanity journals via proxy. Scratch that, supporting the ones that play for their team. Even if they're known as illegitimate.
Grown men cringing? Oh, your location is San Fransisco, that explains it.
I'm as far from academia as possible so might be talking out my butt here, but, I would expect intellectual integrity to be of higher concern than helping Joe Blow get his gibberish published.How are they supporting the other journal? That journal is supported by itself via publication fees. Really that exchange sounds like "Your article is shit but if you really want it published talk to these guys and they'll do it for you"
Its almost like a legit publisher rejecting a novel and recommending that the author self publish. Its not really an endorsement of self publishing, more of a realistic recommendation for the author who wouldn't be able to get their material published via a reputable publisher.
I see what you're saying but I think in this case its more like what Dana Whtie said about Ryan Bader being a perfect fit for Bellator. That's not an endorsement of Bellator, its more of a comment on where Bader is at in his career and not a particularly good one.I'm as far from academia as possible so might be talking out my butt here, but, I would expect intellectual integrity to be of higher concern than helping Joe Blow get his gibberish published.
If a client approaches me with a project that would be of disservice, or detrimental to my industry or themselves I try to steer them away from the project instead of helping them. Apples to bowling balls in most cases, but the principle is sound.
I get ya.I see what you're saying but I think in this case its more like what Dana Whtie said about Ryan Bader being a perfect fit for Bellator. That's not an endorsement of Bellator, its more of a comment on where Bader is at in his career and not a particularly good one.
Sure he's still a fighter but I think you get the subtext. The implication is you're not legit enough for the UFC and begone to the bush league. I think that's what this journal was saying to these authors.I get ya.
But at the end of the day Bader is indeed a fighter, while a word salad isn't a coherent paper.
I get what you're saying, but the analogy would work better if Dana booted CM punk who's not worthy of the name. Just as the paper in question isn't a work based in reality, or worthy of such consideration.Sure he's still a fighter but I think you get the subtext. The implication is you're not legit enough for the UFC and begone to the bush league. I think that's what this journal was saying to these authors.
It is absurd that you can buy whatever legitimacy these journals confer but the point is that this is more of a problem of these open access journals and not the field in particular since it didn't get published in the more reputable journals.I get what you're saying, but the analogy would work better if Dana booted CM punk who's not worthy of the name. Just as the paper in question isn't a work based in reality, or worthy of such consideration.
I think we're just whittling this topic down to semantics at this point. Yet, it seems absurd that anyone can buy a form of legitimacy and say they published a peer reviewed word salad given the financial means. To my limited understanding it undermines the meaning. Imagine the crap we could come up with as a group here in the WR?
Good enough, yet to the uninitiated (me), the difference is unknown. At least until I read this thread.It is absurd that you can buy whatever legitimacy these journals confer but the point is that this is more of a problem of these open access journals and not the field in particular since it didn't get published in the more reputable journals.
You triggered. Bad.lol so they paid to have their fake paper published? I'd take money from idiots making a non-point too. How does this make progressives appear stupid and not the ones that gave progressives their money?