Passing the collar and Sleeve guard

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  1. spiderguarda

    spiderguarda Orange Belt

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    I came across a seminar on this guard and it has a lot of sweeps and submissions.



    It’s 47 minutes long.

    What are good ways to pass this guard especially if both of your arms are tied up.

    I learned this guard or at least techniques using it but not as a system.
     
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    He kind-of shows you how to deal with it-- backing out or standing bolt upright will prevent him from dominating your posture. Another minor thing that bothers me when I play this guard is when the top player folds his elbow of the arm i'm gripping tight into his body; there's still options for me but this defeats some of the main omoplata/triangle attacks. I don't know if he shows this in the seminar, but the collar drag is a major threat from this guard for the bottom player, so always be on the look out for it when trying to pass.
     
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    He actually has tactics to deal with the opponent hiding the elbow. You’ll need to fast forward the video but it’s pretty comprehensive as far as anything I have seen on YouTube. Glad it was posted.
     
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    upright posture with hips forward kills alot of the attacks but opens you up to a quick guard change to SLX which is what i do when people use this defense.
     
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    exactly. de la x is also a really good option if they combat base heavy. meregali is the high level guy i think of who constantly chains these three guards back and forth
     
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    How do you pass this type of guard? Combat base is an obvious response as not to get swept but I was thinking about sprawling to get rid of the posting leg but see it as a one way ticket to a triangle.
     
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    Thank you for this hidden gem.
     
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    Rafa has good video on YouTube.

    Search for “Collar and sleeve study”
     
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    I play the guard a lot, but don't often encounter it being done on me. Combat base is a common response, especially among bigger and more aggressive opponents, but I immediately switch to SLX or De la X and usually get an easy sweep. Definitely the thing that gives me the most trouble is opponents sprawl passing in the same diagonal direction of the collar/sleeve control; if done well I need to tech standup quickly or I will be stuck in half guard. Another pass that would seem to work is the Keenan Cornelius/Edwin Najmi concept of "dead lift passing" where you just bend your knees and stand up tall, which then makes the grips much weaker.
     
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    Not familiar with this dead lift passing? Any video or picture examples? I guess it’s the straighten up and hip thrust forward to give the guard player problems keeping any collar grip,as it means they will be forced to a sitting guard and their arms exposed for a flying armlock or arm crank.
     
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    yeah you just bend your knees and stand straight upright, then with the grips weak you can shuck them by and crash into the pass. it's something you would do against spider guard and certain DLR variations. the term "dead lift passing" is keenan cornelius' creation. i wonder if he got the idea from rodolfo vieira doing it to him at times in this old pre-worm guard match:
     
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