Passing the collar and Sleeve guard

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  1. spiderguarda

    spiderguarda Orange Belt

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    I came across a seminar on this guard and it has a lot of sweeps and submissions.



    It’s 47 minutes long.

    What are good ways to pass this guard especially if both of your arms are tied up.

    I learned this guard or at least techniques using it but not as a system.
     
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    He kind-of shows you how to deal with it-- backing out or standing bolt upright will prevent him from dominating your posture. Another minor thing that bothers me when I play this guard is when the top player folds his elbow of the arm i'm gripping tight into his body; there's still options for me but this defeats some of the main omoplata/triangle attacks. I don't know if he shows this in the seminar, but the collar drag is a major threat from this guard for the bottom player, so always be on the look out for it when trying to pass.
     
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    He actually has tactics to deal with the opponent hiding the elbow. You’ll need to fast forward the video but it’s pretty comprehensive as far as anything I have seen on YouTube. Glad it was posted.
     
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    upright posture with hips forward kills alot of the attacks but opens you up to a quick guard change to SLX which is what i do when people use this defense.
     
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    exactly. de la x is also a really good option if they combat base heavy. meregali is the high level guy i think of who constantly chains these three guards back and forth
     
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    How do you pass this type of guard? Combat base is an obvious response as not to get swept but I was thinking about sprawling to get rid of the posting leg but see it as a one way ticket to a triangle.
     
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    Thank you for this hidden gem.
     
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    Rafa has good video on YouTube.

    Search for “Collar and sleeve study”
     
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    I play the guard a lot, but don't often encounter it being done on me. Combat base is a common response, especially among bigger and more aggressive opponents, but I immediately switch to SLX or De la X and usually get an easy sweep. Definitely the thing that gives me the most trouble is opponents sprawl passing in the same diagonal direction of the collar/sleeve control; if done well I need to tech standup quickly or I will be stuck in half guard. Another pass that would seem to work is the Keenan Cornelius/Edwin Najmi concept of "dead lift passing" where you just bend your knees and stand up tall, which then makes the grips much weaker.
     
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