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Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Ginn, Aug 12, 2017.
Mayweather don't know one punch power!
Getting slapped like a bitch should instantly take a fighter out of the P4P discussion.
The Conor queens are too much. Conor is bigger the Eddie so really he was fighting where he should have been. I also have never seen Jones tap 3 times and turn his back and run in a fight. Jones is a complete fighter and Connie is one dimensional.
Irish McGregor fan here and calling bullshit on so many levels I don't even know where to start!
A 6"5 McGregor not only would be an inch taller than jones but would likely weigh 250lbs because he is heavier built than Jones. That comparison is beyond childish and I'd love to see some photoshop expert enlarge McGregor to 6"5 and put him beside Jones so you could see how stupid that statement is.
Belts don't mean shit, defences don't mean shit either so let's throw those arguments out and look at who they have beaten.
Jones has had a FAR superior career and only ever lost on a technicality/poor referee decision. DC x2, Machida, Shogun, Bader, OSP, Gus, Belfort, Sonnen, Evans
McGregor best Aldo, Mendes, holloway, Diaz
Pull your head out of your arse mate, it's fans like you who make people hate McGregor
Jones ped use disqualifies him. I thought we established this month's ago. End of discussion.
This is all just nonsense.
If you're going to factor buisness decisions, which is what the decision on whether or not to take a given fight on late notice ultimately is, in P4P crown Conor the GOAT now and get it over with, because he's the best buisness man in MMA history. Make Floyd undisputed GOAT of boxing as well.
If we're going to take the hypothetical P4P as it's meant to be, and people way overcomplicate this, and look at very simply who do we think is the BEST fighter skill and resume wise, Conor's not in the discussion right now. He has one of the best wins in MMA history in Aldo, and that's where his career peaked. The old saying "You have to defend to be champ" gets shit on, but it's relevant, there's a reason that people care about it - and that's because defending a title in any sport means that you proved that even when you were the one everyone was gunning for you still won, and doing it multiple times means on multiple occassions you fought THE BEST fighter not named you in your weight class and won, regardless of style, regardless if you had a bad night, regardless if they had their best night ever.
On Conor's worst night, he got tapped by an okay fighter who was a failed WW and a LW who was inconsistent to say the least. On Jones worst night he beat a guy who is going to go down as a top 10 LHW when it's all said and done in Gus. Jones and DJ have proven over and over and over that they can beat the best guy not named them in their class, and often in dominant shocking jaw dropping fashion. Conor's proven it all of once when he beat Aldo, twice if you include Eddie Alvarez who no one has argued is the best LW in the world since 2012.
Your hypothetical about Conor beating Floyd, which would be amazing, and win a third MMA belt which would be amazing, and win another one or two high profile fights against guys like Ferguson or Khabib is fine. I agree, if Conor beats Floyd, and comes back to MMA and wins a third weight class and defends a belt once or twice, then yes. He's not only the P4P best, he's the GOAT probably - and all of the arguments about him fighting anyone anytime (which has been disputed, but it's a good promotional angle) would hold merit. But he hasn't done any of that yet. He's probably a top 5 P4P fighter, maybe top 3. But we have two champions that have consistently proven that on any given night no mater who the opponent is, they're leagues above their divisions.
He called out one of the biggest, strongest fighterse in the division he's ducking.
McGregor accepted short notice opponents who would advance him in the rankings, he has not been asked to take a short notice opponent in a no win situation.
McGregor has ducked defending titles and giving a long time dominant champion a rematch.
Jones has shown an iron chin and frustrated strikers who are supposedly better than him.
Jones has some of the best functional wrestling in MMA history along with vicious ground and pound and proven submission skills.
Stephen king has a sherdog account?
LOL, Nate was three (tree) times conroes size.
Despite all the hatred Jones gets on these boards even the haters know he's better P4P and it's not even close. Heck Jones is the GOAT of the entire sport.
Well said... Jones is definitely peaking out of the pack in the GOAT conversation... though he got more work to do in order to break out of the pack. & yeah, Mac has some work to do... but my point is that... at the level he's fighting at (ie... impossible to win fights one after another) & he keeps raising the bar & winning... if he keeps winning... he will not need the volume of wins that the other GOATs have... because the comparative level of competition he challenged himself with is so very much higher.
That's the point I was making.
& the title defense will come with time... he's just got bigger fish to fry atm.
he defended his FW belt in the Aldo fight.
Unfortunately these kind of threads have the opposite effect and create more McGregor haters.
Conor is P4P worst champion in UFC.
He'll almost certainly never come back to the UFC after the Mayweather fight. He'll never see that kind of money in MMA, he'll either continue to lose in boxing or just retire.
I've put the stats up so many times I'm almost too weary to do it again atm.
Jones is just now peaking out of the top 5 GOATs... just barely. He's young & will likely move out ahead soon since most of the GOATs he's in competition with are retired or past their prime... but as we stand, he is basically in a 3 or 4 way tie if not just a fraction up. In no way has he run away with it yet though. I don't doubt it will happen... he's just got a bit more work to do.
We have folks who have an unhealthy obsession with CM and folks with an unhealthy bitterness towards CM...
Is there anybody other than myself who merely enjoys the story of Conor McGregor without proclaiming he is either God or MMA's only equal to CM Punk?
I'll state the facts again, no matter how you try to twist it Jones is already the GOAT and most of the MMA community recognize despite the fact they want to hate Jones, Jones has dragged the haters along kicking and screaming and eventually even they have had to admit it. The reason you have to post those stats so much is because most people think Jones is the GOAT.
But he just lost a couple fights ago