Oscar De La Hoya: ‘MMA fighter pay gets me sick to my stomach’

[LukeSkyrocker]

Well my $50 000/yr is 1000s x more than Kings of England once made. But it’s less than the $12000 my grandpa made in the 50’s ... at doctors office can’t flesh out point you get idea

it's not noble to give good for nothing people money for free. also there is no problem in fighters getting a billion dollars, they worked hard for it. if you feel annoyed by it you should start donating half of your money, because compared to you many people get paid peanuts everywhere in the world[/QUOTE

 

[Final Say]

There is this term called common knowledge and it's used to describe something that is known by the general populace. When someone makes a statement that contradicts common knowledge, it doesn't warrant a back and forth discussion. All it deserves is mockery.

I referenced the dickhead politician because we live in the Trump post-truth era. It's a time where any dipshit with an internet connection can proclaim their idiocy as fact.

Read the rest of the posts in this thread if you're being genuine. Do your research. Gain knowledge. Stop talking out of your ass. Don't be lazy and use what you claim to be 'common knowledge' as an excuse to not seek the truth

Otherwise, you're a worthless troll and you're being intentionally dishonest to try and get a reaction.

 

[DanMMAleague]

There are thousands if not hundreds of thousands of boxers who fight for hundreds of dollars.

De La Hoya trolling DFW and probably rightly so.

 

[suffersystem]

I am curious, should we only be going with one boxing promotion and comparing fighter pay, since really comparing every boxing promotion we should then be comparing every bigger MMA promotion as well. Wouldn't it be fair to compare pay from UFC and pay from the biggest boxing promotion?

 

[Phisher]

The UFC pays better than pro boxing overall. There really isn't any boxing promotion that guarantees the money that the UFC does.

There have been guys on ESPN Friday night fights making peanuts, literally hundreds of dollars. You don't see that in the UFC.

But in MMA overall, like boxing, there isn't much money to be made.

The Friday Night Fights thing was Lorenzo's argument when he was challenged by an ESPN reporter years ago. It was bullshit then, and it's bullshit now.

Friday Night Fights is not comparable to a UFC card, and ESPN is not a boxing promoter.

Undercard fighters on Friday Night Fights are the equivalent of guys that you see in Bellator non-televised fights or in regional shows.

The vast majority of fighters in combat sports don't earn enough to train full time. There's nothing unjust about that because they don't produce any revenue. The issue is the amount of revenue that the UFC, which is a major promoter, splits with its fighters compared to major boxing promoters.

UFC fighters are getting 10-15% of revenue tops. They stole a huge amount of money from McGregor for that Mayweather fight just because of the ridiculous exclusivity contracts. The UFC's finanical projections for the next several years treat fighter pay as a fixed cost, so they're going to get nothing from the ESPN deal. That's comical.

 

[MMAart]

Fighters make what they are worth in UFC. If u draw u get paid ....... if u don't draw doesn't matter if ur champ or not u get paid accordingly. UFC pays way better than boxing when u look at the bottom end instead of the top.

Conor , brock, Honda EARN they draw they make UFC money hence they get paid most.

Called earn ur pay. Conor is going to sell around 2.5 mil buys........ to put in perspective he might in October in one ppv out sell all other ppvs combined in 18.

Tired of the socialist approach hand outside n shit u want the money separate it self an earn it. Be entertaining, talk massive shit, back up shit talk with viscousness.

Fighters are being exploited because of the UFC having a monopoly. If you believe in a free market, then you should be against a monopoly.

It's not a socialist approach. It's protecting the workers in a free market and protecting the idea of free market itself from monopolies - a form of economic dictatorship.

 

[Diunx]

Can't wait for Dana to go off on Oscar after reading this.

 

[Thunderchild]

Fighters are being exploited because of the UFC having a monopoly. If you believe in a free market, then you should be against a monopoly.

It's not a socialist approach. It's protecting the workers in a free market and protecting the idea of free market itself from monopolies - a form of economic dictatorship.

I agree with you in principle but the UFC doesn't have a monopoly. There are no barriers to entry into the market. UFC does not have exclusive control over the labor or capital that are required to start a promotion, nor do they have exclusive control over the distribution of MMA. Having the largest market share, greatest brand recognition, and attracting the best labor in a given industry aren't sufficient conditions for a monopoly.

That said, it would be nice to see the UFC pay the fighters more....

That said, I don't pay for PPVs so I can't be outraged lol.

 

[Thanos]

It wont last long

 

[superpunch]

You get paid what you're worth. If you don't bring in any money why should you make more. No company will hire you if they lose money on you not just in MMA but any job. Mcregor for example gets paid cause he's making the company a lot more than his salary. Simple as that.

You get paid via supply and demand, not the value you bring to a company.

 

[mmahorse]

Fighters are definitely underpaid.
It was reported that between 2008 and 2013
"McGregor took home about $8,300 USD in total from fights!"

In 2013 he got 8000 for defeating Brimage and 8000 for the win.
In his second fight it went up to 12k and 12k for the win.
In july 2014, against brandao he got 16k and 16k for the win + 50k for performance bonus.

Thats 1 year and a half work, not taking into account costs such as:
(Tax, Gym costs, Doctors, Physio, Supplements, Hospital, Travel, Training Partners, Gym gear, agent fees)

Then not everyone is a conor and not everyone wins.
Most people are the brimage's barely getting 25k a year.

UFC fighters are definitely underpaid since the UFC is currently the premium event.
If you go lower than the UFC it gets even worse..
But then if you don't have the undercards, you can't really have the main event with one or two cards.

Then it makes you sick to think, that these fighers are risking brain damage for $20k a year supporting the main cards when Dana White and co have luxury cars, throwing 1 million dollar parties and riding around in private jets.

 

[MikeMcMann]

There is this term called common knowledge and it's used to describe something that is known by the general populace. When someone makes a statement that contradicts common knowledge, it doesn't warrant a back and forth discussion. All it deserves is mockery.

I referenced the dickhead politician because we live in the Trump post-truth era. It's a time where any dipshit with an internet connection can proclaim their idiocy as fact.

Here is an article that looked at MMA vs Boxing pay using actual data.
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/8/23/12512178/why-do-boxers-make-more-than-mma-fighters

TL;DR:

• Boxing median pay is significantly higher than MMA median pay when all cards from both sports were included in the analysis.
• When looking at all the boxing cards vs UFC pay only, UFC pay had the higher median.
• Average pay (mean not median) was way higher in boxing
• Mid-tier UFC fighters do better than their boxing counterparts
• high end and low end boxers do better than their mma counterparts

Caveats:

• We don't know about backstage bonuses.
• Limited data set
• Comparing all boxing cards to just UFC is not apples to apples as some of the boxing cards are local-level extremely small productions.

Read the rest of the posts in this thread if you're being genuine. Do your research. Gain knowledge. Stop talking out of your ass. Don't be lazy and use what you claim to be 'common knowledge' as an excuse to not seek the truth

Otherwise, you're a worthless troll and you're being intentionally dishonest to try and get a reaction.

Yup boxing only competes with UFC (edit :remove MMA) due to the top guys making considerably more mainly because most of the top guys in Boxing also promote or co-promote their own fights and get that share as well.

You remove the top earners in boxing and the UFC and the UFC pays way better for those trying to earn a living which is whom I assume we are most concerned about as the top guys in each sport do ok even with the disparity.

 

[AC1D1K]

My favorite line by De La Hoya was where he was talking about fighters risking their lives in the ring and yet he is putting two guys in the ring that should be nowhere near it.

Chuck likely already has brain damage.

Have u ever heard of this thing called money?

 

[lifelessheap]

I'd rather be a low level UFC fighter making the minimum than a low level boxer making 1 thousand dollars or sometimes less.

 

[Thunderchild]

Yup boxing only competes with MMA due to the top guys making considerably more mainly because most of the top guys in Boxing also promote or co-promote their own fights and get that share as well.

You remove the top earners in boxing and the UFC and the UFC pays way better for those trying to earn a living which is whom I assume we are most concerned about as the top guys in each sport do ok even with the disparity.

I think we mostly agree except I would replace "MMA" with "UFC" in your first sentence. There are a lot of bum MMA promotions out there and the analysis in the article concluded that Boxing had higher median pay than MMA as a whole.

Also median, as a measure, is not as greatly affected by the high paid outliers. Median is the middle value, not the average value.

 

[Dirge]

Have u ever heard of this thing called money?

sure and if chuck and tito were in the mid 30's prime without a ton of accumulated damage I'd support this matchup.

Name another 48 year old guy that is actively fighting in the UFC currently or Bellator for that matter. There aren't any. Set aside that Chuck hasn't fought in 8 years or that he went 1-5 in his last 6 and got brutally knocked out 4 times.

Tito is 5 years younger and hasn't been KO'd as many times but he has a ton of accumlated damage as well.

still this is a freakshow at it's worst. Clearly Chuck needs the money but that makes it even sadder.

Are you going to be happy when one of these guys gets taken out of the ring on a stretcher?

 

[Brock-B-level-Athlete]

yep.

MMA fans as always insecure. not even the porn/gaming/midget community is like that.

mma avg. money sucks.
elite mma money sucks.
their costs are also much higher.

lmao to the low level boxers ... look what bellator is doing.

but dont worry. soccer is getting bigger and bigger (already top 5-8 in the usa). most normal-sized people will play there.

 

[AC1D1K]

sure and if chuck and tito were in the mid 30's prime without a ton of accumulated damage I'd support this matchup.

Name another 48 year old guy that is actively fighting in the UFC currently or Bellator for that matter. There aren't any. Set aside that Chuck hasn't fought in 8 years or that he went 1-5 in his last 6 and got brutally knocked out 4 times.

Tito is 5 years younger and hasn't been KO'd as many times but he has a ton of accumlated damage as well.

still this is a freakshow at it's worst. Clearly Chuck needs the money but that makes it even sadder.

Are you going to be happy when one of these guys gets taken out of the ring on a stretcher?

Money can be used in exchange for goods and servicea

 

[AC1D1K]

sure and if chuck and tito were in the mid 30's prime without a ton of accumulated damage I'd support this matchup.

Name another 48 year old guy that is actively fighting in the UFC currently or Bellator for that matter. There aren't any. Set aside that Chuck hasn't fought in 8 years or that he went 1-5 in his last 6 and got brutally knocked out 4 times.

Tito is 5 years younger and hasn't been KO'd as many times but he has a ton of accumlated damage as well.

still this is a freakshow at it's worst. Clearly Chuck needs the money but that makes it even sadder.

Are you going to be happy when one of these guys gets taken out of the ring on a stretcher?

Oh yeah man nothing gets me happier than people getting carted off on a stretcher. What sort of question is that. The only use for a stretcher will be to carry the fight purses they will make. Brains arent everything

 

[superpunch]

Have u ever heard of this thing called money?

Yes, and one of the biggest problems with modern society is that everything revolves around money. Money isn't true humanism. Being a happy, productive and ethical member of society is what makes a human being. Fighters complaining about pay is just terrible. They're so focused on money that they forget what makes them human. They need to focus on their fighting and their families, be good human beings and help their communities.