One of the most underrated icons in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, the legend..

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  1. freakroor

    freakroor Green Belt

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    Our coach does teach us how to invert and re-guard, just not much else from the upside down position.
     
  2. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    Si basically just drill 1/2 armbars triangles kimura bow and arrow and a couple of leg locks... that’s about it.
     
  3. dimmyfinster

    dimmyfinster Orange Belt

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    Classic GB stuff defense is mostly stupid but it's not the only thing. I've had classes taught by people straight from the Carlos Gracie jr line. And we're learned a lot of things old and wrong or low percentage - footlocks with the mata Leo grip , Americana from bottom closed guard, pulling up their hands when they try to elbow escape the mount- stuff that only works on newbies and clueless people.

    I don't mind old school but I want it to be Mario Sperry, Saulo and Xande, Roger Gracie, Braulio type old school. Old school that has still evolved with the times. Again, I thin most of you have good instructors, but I think there still a bunch of unevolved old school teachers out there.
     
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  4. yetanother

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    There are other subs that have worked at the top level but I don't think beginners need much more subs.
     
  5. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    Why not? Bjj supposed to be fun, playing with thousands of technique is quite fun... can’t see my self passing the secon year mark if all I would do would be 10 subs tops...
     
  6. yetanother

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    Learning stuff I can pull of and progressing is most fun for me. The whole learn different technique every day and just roll trying random stuff approach is just alien to me.
     
  7. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    so, how the heck would you call learing stuff and pulling it on your classmates lesser and upper belts... to be honest, from white to purple, nothing is going to work on your instructor, so you are basically sayng as a white to brown belt you threw eveything you couldve learn out and stuck with 10 techques because you thought some day you would be able to pull some sht on a black betl?

    you sir make a ton of logic....
     
  8. BJJ Coffee Drinker

    BJJ Coffee Drinker Amateur Fighter

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    I've never trained with Relson before but I live in Hawaii where he has most of his schools and over the years, I've heard him say stuff like:
    -a friend of mine asked Relson at a seminar why he doesn't teach kneebars. He replied with "they don't work." Okay.........

    -He has also stated publicly in interviews that Royce and Royler lose their fights because they adopted techniques their dad Helio didn't include. Such as butterfly and modern open guards. Then when one of a few rare gems that showed Relson rolling with someone (posted on youtube), he started using the modern sport style "collar and sleeve" guard

    Again, I've never trained with him but a lot of what he says contradicts himself
     
  9. BJJ Coffee Drinker

    BJJ Coffee Drinker Amateur Fighter

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    I'm skeptical still. I think the pass works if you are A) bigger B) stronger C) much more experienced than your opponent. Torreando, knee slide, double under stack pass are all old school techniques that work great in modern high level competition. We don't see the Gracie Gift pass in competition, at any level with any regular frequency. Even the Gracies that still compete don't use the pass in competition, nor have you seen them use it in competition back in the 90s. Face it, the technique sucks

    Maybe I'm biased, and closed guard is my A-game and I hunt submissions like crazy in competition but I'd still rather watch double guard pulls and 50/50 mat battles any day over closed guard stalling and bad judo where combatants are pushing each other from one end of the mat to the other with double stiff arms.

    I disagree with this one, I've finished and popped ankles with this type of footlock at adult black belt level competition, and its not rare to see this type of footlock done in competition.
     
  10. yetanother

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    As a white belt I gradually switched over to using stuff I learned from a Ryan Hall DVD and other high level guys from the internet later on when I realized it made a lot more sense and was working better then what my first pothead old school instructor was showing.
    I had a bunch of friends that when we drill and I show them actual techniques that high level guys are using (like Lucas Leite half guard) sweep they just switch over to doing it.
     
  11. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    Like Ryan also doesn’t have fillers...

    There’s no donut after a certain time you can take care of your own training, but as a white belt, you don’t know jack shit...even if you think you do...

    10th plantet is full on fancy shit by the way, it kind of works just fine...
     
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  12. yetanother

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    Compared to the trash my first old school pothead coach (who was living evidence that way back in the darks days a turd could get a silver medal at worlds) what Ryan Hall was teach was pure gold.
     
  13. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    .. being a world medalist doesn’t mean he’s a good instructor... silver medalist in what Belt? Black? What year?
     
  14. yetanother

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    Silver at black in 1999. He is an utterly horrible instructor. He made white belts WORSE with his seminar when he was back in town.
    Like he was teaching releasing the half guard and going to a seatbelt position from underhook half (dogfight without the half guard) in his seminar.
    We had a white belt loose in competition because he attempted his crap technique.
     
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    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    How would you do that if the guy has a wizzer on you?if not, I don’t see anything e, if you come up to the dog fight, and the other guy doesn’t have a strong wizzer, then you can take the back...
     
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  16. yetanother

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    That was a counter for the case if the guy has a strong wizzer. You release the half guard and go on your knees to a seatbelt position.
    To something like this
    He was finishing from the seatbelt by blocking the far leg like you would do from a dogfight and driving the guy over (of course he doesn't do any fancy wrestling and is the sort of the guy who believes it's a simple and not a technical sport)
     
  17. BJJ Coffee Drinker

    BJJ Coffee Drinker Amateur Fighter

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    Okay, now Im dying to know who was your original instructor
     
  18. ChrisK1

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    obvious troll is obvious guys - come on

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  19. yetanother

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    He had a beef with with Jean Jacques Machado, claiming that Machado has a fake belt.
    The old coach story is true, I wouldn't have invented such a bad a technique as from his seminar myself.
     
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  20. BJJ Coffee Drinker

    BJJ Coffee Drinker Amateur Fighter

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    Roberto Atalla matches that description....was he big name back in the day after winning silver at Mundials?

    What exactly was the technique? Was it something he used himself or just made up?
     

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