Oldschool video "proves" pridefc had better testing then usada!

[philweed]

Just because they made you piss in a cup doesn’t mean they tested it.

 

[blaccbeard]

lol heath herring already confirmed that Pride was passing out the drugs themselves like candy.

 

[eiyuu]

Steroids were fully ingrained in the culture of the UFC by the time Kerr arrived.

Randy (The Natural) Couture, who debuted in the Octagon one event before Kerr, dismissed UFC’s testing protocol at the time as illegitimate.

“Everyone knew it was a joke,” Couture said. “They basically tossed you a cup and sent you to the bathroom, but I don't know why they even did it. I think it was to cross off a box.”

Kerr said doctors conducting pre-fight medicals ignored obvious warning signs of his steroid use.

"I remember sitting across the table from the doctor, and the doctor looking at my liver enzymes,” Kerr said. “When you do anabolics in high amounts it messes with your liver enzymes. The doctor was looking at me and looking at the liver enzymes and looking at me. He said, 'Do you realize this is eight times the normal amount you're supposed to have?' I said, ‘Yeah,' and that was it. They allowed me to fight."

And then when the UFC wanted to be sanctioned by the major athletic commissions (New Jersey, Nevada) and actually try to go legitimate, they had to go through strict testing for PEDs--just 3 years after Kerr debuted in the UFC.

Meanwhile, PRIDE was still NOT testing for PEDs no matter how you want to try to spin it.

PRIDE only tested for PEDs when they had shows in Las Vegas.

 

[gono btw]

And then when the UFC wanted to be sanctioned by the major athletic commissions (New Jersey, Nevada) and actually try to go legitimate, they had to go through strict testing for PEDs--just 3 years after Kerr debuted in the UFC.

Meanwhile, PRIDE was still NOT testing for PEDs no matter how you want to try to spin it.

PRIDE only tested for PEDs when they had shows in Las Vegas.

Understand that PRIDE or any other Org., in the 2000s, HAD NO CAPACITY TO FIGHT AGAINST JUICING.

Pride made it clear they wouldnt test, NOT TO ENCOURAGE fighters to use PEDs.
Thats a MYTH.

What did they actually acknowledge? THEIR INCAPACITY.

Theres always been a TECHNOLOGICAL GAP btw cheaters & testers..

Back in the days, in the 1990s, it was a 10 yrs technological gap.
Sure, testing has evolved, but cheaters too.

Lance never failed any test (more than 500)..

The testers during the Tour de France were (and still must be) the most hardcore ever.. it was really gestapo-like, they would invade the dudes´ rooms at 1 or 2 AM…EVERY DAY, DURING ONE MONTH.

(see also the Juventus scandal, and the infamous pill b4 each game)

 

[eiyuu]

Understand that PRIDE or any other Org., in the 2000s, HAD NO CAPACITY TO FIGHT AGAINST JUICING.

Pride made it clear they wouldnt test, NOT TO ENCOURAGE fighters to use PEDs.
Thats a MYTH.

What did they actually acknowledge? THEIR INCAPACITY.

Theres always been a TECHNOLOGICAL GAP btw cheaters & testers..

Back in the days, in the 1990s, it was a 10 yrs technological gap.
Sure, testing has evolved, but cheaters too.

Lance never failed any test (more than 500)..

The testers during the Tour de France were (and still must be) the most hardcore ever.. it was really gestapo-like, they would invade the dudes´ rooms at 1 or 2 AM…EVERY DAY, DURING ONE MONTH.

(see also the Juventus scandal, and the infamous pill b4 each game)

If PRIDE really wanted to test for juicing, they would have. It's not like it's that difficult to employ a company to do your testing for you, and not like they didn't have the money.

It's just easier to let the fighters do what they want so long as they weren't snorting coke.

 

[RustyHerb]

TS did you prove read your thread title before posting


Sometimes I wish sherdog forum posting had an automatic spellchecker

I think you mean proofread.

 

[gono btw]

If PRIDE really wanted to test for juicing, they would have. It's not like it's that difficult to employ a company to do your testing for you, and not like they didn't have the money.

It's just easier to let the fighters do what they want so long as they weren't snorting coke.

Pure waste of time in the 1990s-early 2000s

 

[KingBeef]

Obligatory..

I was waiting for that,lol.

 

[eiyuu]

Pure waste of time in the 1990s-early 2000s

The UFC did it when they wanted to go legit and get sanctioned by the major state athletic commissions back in 2000. Worked out for them seeing as how they were on the brink of disaster and now the biggest MMA promotion in the world.

 

[gono btw]

The UFC did it when they wanted to go legit and get sanctioned by the major state athletic commissions back in 2000. Worked out for them seeing as how they were on the brink of disaster and now the biggest MMA promotion in the world.

Pure smokescreen.

Even today, with much more efficient testing technology, No Rush admitted that it´s still easy to cheat the USADA testing.
Imagine in the 1990s-2000s...

 

[Hotei]

Of course they tested in PRIDE, but they didn't test for steroids.

 

[eiyuu]

Pure smokescreen.

Even today, with much more efficient testing technology, No Rush admitted that it´s still easy to cheat the USADA testing.
Imagine in the 1990s-2000s...

But we're not talking about 1990s-2000s.

PRIDE started operations in late 1997 up to 2006. UFC started testing in 2000 and they had less money to work with than PRIDE did at the time.

That's not a "smokescreen" those are facts.

 

[gono btw]

But we're not talking about 1990s-2000s.

PRIDE started operations in late 1997 up to 2006. UFC started testing in 2000 and they had less money to work with than PRIDE did at the time.

That's not a "smokescreen" those are facts.

late 1997 up to 2006. = we´re talking about 1990s-2000s.

The Tour de France was 'trying' to fight against PEDs (EPO), and completely failed in the 1990s-2000s, while having the State´s backup, those are facts.

UFC has never had any real interest (see the Lesnar scandal @ UFC 200 ) in fighting against PEDs, like the Tour de France, this has always been a 'smokescreen'.

 

[tru3f4n]

 

[eiyuu]

late 1997 up to 2006. = we´re talking about 1990s-2000s.

The Tour de France was 'trying' to fight against PEDs (EPO), and completely failed in the 1990s-2000s, while having the State´s backup, those are facts.

UFC has never had any real interes (see the Lesnar scandal @ UFC 200 ) in fighting against PEDs, like the Tour de France, this has always been a 'smokescreen'.

No we're talking 1997-2006 since that's when PRIDE operated.

We're talking about PRIDE and PED testing.

PRIDE had ample opportunities to implement PED testing IF they wanted to.

What happened in the Tour de France has nothing to do with PRIDE.

It all comes down as to whether PRIDE WANTED to test for PEDs or not.

And yes the UFC had interest in fighting against PEDs. Else, why would they have stripped Josh Barnett and Tim Sylvia of their titles when they tested positive for PEDs in the early 2000s.

Again, facts.

 

[gono btw]

No we're talking 1997-2006 since that's when PRIDE operated.

We're talking about PRIDE and PED testing.

PRIDE had ample opportunities to implement PED testing IF they wanted to.

What happened in the Tour de France has nothing to do with PRIDE.

It all comes down as to whether PRIDE WANTED to test for PEDs or not.

And yes the UFC had interest in fighting against PEDs. Else, why would they have stripped Josh Barnett and Tim Sylvia of their titles when they tested positive for PEDs in the early 2000s.

Again, facts.

Sorry, for me:
late 1997 up to 2006. = we´re talking about 1990s-2000s.

Anyway, if you dont understand the Tour de France situation, then you wont understand the 1990s-2000s context.
You´re assessing it with a 2010s understanding, and it´s hardly relevant here.

It´s not about Pride wanting or not, it´s laughable...It´s about having the technology at the time to implement efficient testing.

About UFC´s interest, you´re naive, Im afraid... It was only a smokescreen (everybody knows that some 95% of them were juicing at the time, the Barnett case was a drop in the ocean), and UFC 200 clearly showed that they had no genuine interest in this shit.
So much for your "facts"...

 

[HHJ]

Pure waste of time in the 1990s-early 2000s

Pride wasn't under the same kind if scrutiny the UFC was. The Japanese understood. It was the yakuza involvement that brought it crashing down,not that it was some "inappropriate" human cockfighting. They wouldnt have cared if it was. Bushido,baby.

 

[lowlife]

are you fucking retarded? Have you not seen several high profile fighters visibly deflate since USADA? Pride actually preferred it's fighters to juice, I thought this was widely known as of like a long ass time ago.

 

[ANIM4L]

no one really cared about PEDs until USADA became a thing in the UFC. MMA is much better with PEDs

 

[eiyuu]

Sorry, for me:
late 1997 up to 2006. = we´re talking about 1990s-2000s.

Anyway, if you dont understand the Tour de France situation, then you wont understand the 1990s-2000s context.
You´re assessing it with a 2010s understanding, and it´s hardly relevant here.

It´s not about Pride wanting or not, it´s laughable...It´s about having the technology at the time to implement efficient testing.

About UFC´s interest, you´re naive, Im afraid... It was only a smokescreen, and UFC 200 clearly showed that they had no genuine interest in this shit.
So much for your "facts"...

Oh, so they didn't strip Sylvia and Barnett when they tested positive since "they had no genuine interest in this shit"?

No they totally did. So you're the naive one.

And you're proving it by saying they didn't have the technology when Barnett and Sylvia test positive in the early 2000s.

That falls within when PRIDE was operating = 1997-2000

So the technology was there.

It was always there.

It was there back in the 90s, since Vladimir Klitschko says he tested positive for PEDs in 1996--a year before PRIDE started.

Francois Botha tested positive for PEDs in 1995 and was stripped of his IBF title--two years before PRIDE started.

So you can't claim "the technology wasn't there" because it was.