Okuri Ashi Harai Foot Sweep

[jack36767]

Relevant wrestling stats from NCAAs and worlds.
At NCAAs, most common scoring position was short offense. Second was head inside singles

At worlds 2/3 of the shots were touch and goes, not some complicated set up.

Single legs both head inside and outside at worlds dominated

On single legs, if the ankle was shelved or put into the armpit, the finishing rate was something like 92.3%

 

[Zankou]

I definitely agree. I found this article for the top used judo throws and their percentage of success:
https://theartofbalancedojo.com/blogs/news/which-techniques-are-the-workhorses-of-international-judo
Apparently the top 5 most used throws are: Uchi Mata, Ippon Seoi Nage, Eri Seoi Nage and Sode Tsuri Komi Goshi. Interestingly, Osoto Gari was the 10th most used throw, but the most effective.

Osoto statistics are distorted by the fact that those competitors who have osoto as their tokui waza are ten times the man that other competitors are.

 

[dsdoubled]

Foot sweeps are hilariously effective when hit with perfect timing, but the reality is they are low percentage because that window is so short.

Cary kolat has a good approach as well.

 

[rmongler]

I think you can make windows for 'timing' with foot sweeps, by pushing the other guy around.

F.ex., if you've got good underhook position you can push a guy out of bounds for one point (unless he exposes himself by trying to attack), but each time he steps back with the far leg, the outside kick on the near leg is there for two.

 

[dsdoubled]

How often do you see them work in judo competitions? They are thrown out by competitors in blizzards, almost like leg kicks in kickboxing, but rarely do they actually take people down. Great for feinting and setting up attacks, sure, but just not a high percentage TD. Any more than they are in wrestling.
Among BJJ competitors the only one I can recall who seems to have good success with foot sweeps is Rodolfo.

Don’t get me wrong, they are a rad, useful, and near magical technique when you hit them, but you can’t force them through a big window like you can with some of the more power-driven moves.

Well said. Its probably like wrestling where you have your Kyle Dake types who can/do use a bit of everything and then you'll have your occasional specialist who seems to be able to execute the move at will.

 

[dsdoubled]

I think you can make windows for 'timing' with foot sweeps, by pushing the other guy around.

F.ex., if you've got good underhook position you can push a guy out of bounds for one point (unless he exposes himself by trying to attack), but each time he steps back with the far leg, the outside kick on the near leg is there for two.

I was thinking of Mocco. I'm sure at this point everyone knows that Mocco had some good success in judo when he did it for fun/to stay busy when not wrestling due to some health issues. But I don't recall if he was proficient with the sweep before then. Anyone know?

 

[AZ103]

Relevant wrestling stats from NCAAs and worlds.
At NCAAs, most common scoring position was short offense. Second was head inside singles

At worlds 2/3 of the shots were touch and goes, not some complicated set up.

Single legs both head inside and outside at worlds dominated

On single legs, if the ankle was shelved or put into the armpit, the finishing rate was something like 92.3%

Yeah I knew singles were the most used and most scored with leg attack. Where did you get this information from?

Also, when you say "short offense" what do you mean? like a block a shot, snap and spin?

 

[jack36767]

Yeah I knew singles were the most used and most scored with leg attack. Where did you get this information from?

Also, when you say "short offense" what do you mean? like a block a shot, snap and spin?

Bill Zadick the World team coach by way of an RTC coach.

Short offense is more than “snap and spin”. You very rarely see straight go behinds anymore. But go behinds are a part of it. It’s usually defined as a front headlock scenario, whether traditional, T-Rex or body lock. It usually leads to counter shots on tough opponents

 

[rmongler]

Kyle Dake in particular is very good at reversing shots and scoring from the front bodylock situation (no doubt a big part being all the experience he has with Burroughs).

 

[CFGroup]

did you do it backwards for framing? not that it's wrong, but canonically you kinda stop their face with your high grip while you push the elbow into the hip with the sleeve grip and sweep their foot, then keep ahold of the sleeve grip to get them to land flat and to attack with jujigatame.

your way works too. it sucks for uke since they can't slap if you don't let go, but that's not necessarily a bad thing depending on the circumstances.

Yip it was backwards...

Uke grabs your sleeve with his left hand to rotate and slaps with his right. There is the slapless breakfall, but it might be beyond a striped up BJJ WB, LOL!

 

[AZ103]

Bill Zadick the World team coach by way of an RTC coach.

Short offense is more than “snap and spin”. You very rarely see straight go behinds anymore. But go behinds are a part of it. It’s usually defined as a front headlock scenario, whether traditional, T-Rex or body lock. It usually leads to counter shots on tough opponents

Yeah thats what i thought you meant. Very cool. Thanks for all the info.

 

[shunyata]

How often do you see them work in judo competitions? They are thrown out by competitors in blizzards, almost like leg kicks in kickboxing, but rarely do they actually take people down. Great for feinting and setting up attacks, sure, but just not a high percentage TD. Any more than they are in wrestling.
Among BJJ competitors the only one I can recall who seems to have good success with foot sweeps is Rodolfo.

Don’t get me wrong, they are a rad, useful, and near magical technique when you hit them, but you can’t force them through a big window like you can with some of the more power-driven moves.

As a footsweep loving judoka, think of the foot sweep as the grappling version of a jab and I think you'll find them significantly more useful.

 

[judoka loca]

As a footsweep loving judoka, think of the foot sweep as the grappling version of a jab and I think you'll find them significantly more useful.

This is it right here.

 

[Invisible Jiu Jitsu]

As a footsweep loving judoka, think of the foot sweep as the grappling version of a jab and I think you'll find them significantly more useful.

i like that

 

[jack36767]

Yeah thats what i thought you meant. Very cool. Thanks for all the info.

No problem

 

[dsdoubled]

Kyle Dake in particular is very good at reversing shots and scoring from the bodylock situation (no doubt a big part being all the experience he has with Burroughs).

Dake has always been good at upper body wrestling. He made a Greco world team as a junior and I believe placed top 8 at worlds. He is amazing. In my opinion our most versatile freestyle guy by far.

 

[Chungungo]

As a footsweep loving judoka, think of the foot sweep as the grappling version of a jab and I think you'll find them significantly more useful.

I was taught the same.

That makes sense. In sambo the blast double would be an opton after a failed foot sweep. Not so with judo, correct?

When leg grabs were allowed I used to enter blast double leg after a failed kouchi gari or a feint of the same technique.

 

[dsdoubled]

I was taught the same.

When leg grabs were allowed I used to enter blast double leg after a failed kouchi gari or a feint of the same technique.

I feel bad for current judoka that came/are coming up in the age of no leg attacks. Especially those who want to use judo as a base for MMA. You'd have to think a good judo guy WITH leg attacks would be hell on wheels.

 

[number9dream]

I definitely agree. I found this article for the top used judo throws and their percentage of success:
https://theartofbalancedojo.com/blogs/news/which-techniques-are-the-workhorses-of-international-judo
Apparently the top 5 most used throws are: Uchi Mata, Ippon Seoi Nage, Eri Seoi Nage and Sode Tsuri Komi Goshi. Interestingly, Osoto Gari was the 10th most used throw, but the most effective.

Is the original report by Thierry Loison still online anywhere? Googling it his website seems dead

 

[TheFakeMacoy]

Is the original report by Thierry Loison still online anywhere? Googling it his website seems dead

I couldn't find it, unfortunately.