Official Judo Thread XI: Olympic Travesty Edition

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Zankou, Aug 6, 2016.

  1. Thycidides

    Thycidides Banned Banned

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    I see. I remember you saying that the big throws took a lot out of you and you prefer bjj practice now. Did you go back to focusing on judo or was that someone else?
     
  2. QingTian

    QingTian Purple Belt

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    I like BJJ and big throws are hard to do and risky, but still the value and essence of Judo is the big throws. And it's not just about fighting effectiveness, but for your development.

    Right now I do BJJ more but a large part is that there are many good open mats in my area, but Judo not so much.
     
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  3. RJ Green

    RJ Green Black Belt

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    I don't compete in BJJ because I've been focusing on improving my Judo for the past year and plan on competing at the Senior Nationals.

    It's also a time issue: I'm already doing Judo 6x/week, plus helping plan the NCJA Nationals, plus fundraising for that club, and a part-time job, and that's on top of 18 credits. We've got a 3rd degree Alliance Black Belt in town who's got an ADCC silver medalist training there. As much as I'd love to spend another 12 hours a week getting my shit pushed in, I don't have time unless I quit Judo altogether. While that BJJ pedigree might seem like a good reason to do so, we've had a 2x olympic bronze medalist here for the past year, and I spent all weekend at a seminar she and another Korean Olympian put on over 3 days hosted by my club, so yeah, I'm happy with my training right meow.
     
  4. Thycidides

    Thycidides Banned Banned

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    I don't see how that is relevant when there are beginner divisions in bjj? Just enter as a white belt. If your as good at leg locks/ guillotines as you say you should be able to win pretty easy in that division. If that is too easy you could do intermediate no gi.


    I only spend 2 hours a week on judo out 10 -12 training grappling but I'm considering competing in it again this year.
     
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  5. RJ Green

    RJ Green Black Belt

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    i've been doing judo for 12 years. doing a BJJ comp as a beginner/intermediate would be horseshit. i've never said i was good at leg locks. my heel hook defense is tapping. under sub challenge and naga rules, I'd have to enter the black belt division. i'm not good enough for that, and people gator rolling on leglocks scares the fuck outta me.

    2 hours of judo per week isn't enough to be competitive.
     
  6. efficientjudo

    efficientjudo White Belt

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    Hi Guys,

    We've just released a short video of some Ashi-waza drills, let us know what you think!

     
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  7. RJ Green

    RJ Green Black Belt

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    i appreciate what you guys are trying to do, but i think your videos are too talky. i'd suggest just showing more repetitions of each drill from various camera angles and not worrying about narration, just descriptive text at the bottom of the frame.
     
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  8. BKR

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    Guillotine choke is legal in judo comps, neck cranks are not. The silly rule about head and arm is just silly and misinformed.

    Leg grabs, yeah, total ban is silly in Judo.

    Oh, and because Judo ruleset is interesting and and of itself, just like the various bjj rulesets.
     
  9. BKR

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    I'd love to see straight leg, ankle locks and foot locks back in Judo. Not any more dangerous than armbars...
     
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  10. BKR

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    Points for pins, but not sweeps or other advantages. Too complicated, and I like the fact Judo scores finishing techniques.

    Non standard gripping as long as it's not stalling/defensive. Leg grabs, fine, as long as not used as stalling tactic. maybe have to have one hand grip before leg attack...
     
  11. BKR

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    Conceptually fine, execution is lacking.
     
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  12. BKR

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    BJJ has a lot of restrictions on what techniques can be used at what level of competition. To say "leg locks are legal in BJJ" is an overly broad statement.

    BJJ standup generally sucks, they might as well just start on their feet. IBJJF rules are as the bear said, worse than Judo. Go to a comp oriented BJJ school, and it's all about racking up those points and how to do that.

    Thank dog my BJJ school doesn't train that way. Get on top, stay on top, and sub a MF...
     
  13. BKR

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    Ippon for pin, ippon for armbar, ippon for choke...

    Not just throwing...
     
  14. BKR

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    Beginner stuff is what they are doing, plus, if you have crappy mats (common, especially in BJJ places, but not uncommon in Judo clubs), nage komi for big throws hurts and is not safe.

    Uchi Mata is hard, Ura Nage, well, it's hard too (doing and falling), neither are beginner throws.
     
  15. BKR

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    Well put...

    I'm so broken getting thrown by anyone older than 12, even on our suspended floor, is not fun. I do BJJ because I can still roll and go to work the next day. Plus I always liked ne waza.

    I doubt I will ever compete at BJJ, I have too many bad joints and trust issues with guys going gonzo on me for a silly scrap of pot metal in the blue belt division.
     
  16. RJ Green

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    this is for sure my last push for competition. i've got all sorts of chronic injuries - both elbows are shot, my back is shot from HS football, i've got deep hip pain on my fallin' side that comes and goes, and my fallin' foot has a contusion on it that doesn't seem to want to go away. i plan on doing/teaching judo the rest of my life, just not at competitive intensity. i'm basically gonna run this bitch til the wheels fall off, then go back to BJJ. i bounce good, but i can't bounce forever...
     
  17. Thycidides

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    I dunno if it was the intent but reading about you guys' injuries has me less Interested in doing another judo tournament.

    Focusing on BJJ comp seems preferable on every level. The fact that people pull guard is actually a bit of a positive as it means I'm less likely to be injured by a big throw.
     
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  18. BKR

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    The older you get, the worse it gets, IME. I do BJJ, but even that puts a strain on me. As I told my coach, my attitude writes checks my body can't cash. Once I got my cardio back up to something reasonable for a 55 year old man, I broke myself on the shores of black, purple, and brown belts. In fact, I now have a cold, so can't go to train tonight. Sick school kids to wife to me, the joy of it all.

    Quality of life outside the dojo is a thing, so make sure you get your stuff taken care of.
     
  19. BKR

    BKR Orange Belt

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    I've been doing Judo for almost 38 years now, since I was 17 years old. I competed multiple times a year from the time I was 18 years old, competed at US Nationals, National Collegiate, and up to US Open/International level. And you can bet I trained seriously for it, multiple times a week, running, weights, judo 5-6 times a week, all through 5 years of college. I had to slow down in grad school, but still trained 3-4 days a week, coached, competed, and worked out. I kept training and competing after getting a full time job in 1991, locally (normal divisions), and nationally but in Masters (30+) age class.

    The last time I competed I ripped my right shoulder (level 3 AC joint tear), at 50 years old, and retired from competition.

    I don't think you need to worry too much about ending up with a bunch of chronic injuries, or even 1 from a "big throw" at the occasional judo tournament.
     
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  20. RJ Green

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    the best guard pass is osotogari
     
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