Official Judo Thread XI: Olympic Travesty Edition | Page 34

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Zankou, Aug 6, 2016.

  1. QingTian Purple Belt

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    Don't worry about how you compare to others. There's some random luck involved when learning. That is, whether you happened to try something that works or not. Plus a strength difference is difficult to overcome as it means your technique has to be pretty much correct.

    On that note, your leg coordination/strength is not so good. Don't worry, most people favor upper or lower body, similar to left and right. When I started I was lower body and I looked like a tap dancer. My first coach advised a lot of full body exercises, whether it's complete throws, Olympic lifts, or whatever. You're trying to grip the guy down.
     
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  2. Thycidides Blue Belt

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    What should I do to improve leg coordination? And should I try to improve that or just focus on grip fighting etc? Ive often thought weight lifting would benefit me, leg press etc
     
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  3. QingTian Purple Belt

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    It just takes time to build up the athleticism. Anything exercise/sport helps except those that work the muscles in isolation (like normal weight lifting, biking, etc.)
     
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    A good analogy is to ask a Judo master to perform throws with the opposite grip. No matter how well he may know the technique and perform it textbook, it's just not going to be as good and powerful as his good side. Technique is really developed, not learned.
     
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    Gentlemen, Id like to ask you for your cooperation in this campaign, I am running.
    The objective is to provide free second hand judogis to kids with no access or possibility to have ones.
    Ever since I visited a few countries in the world, where little kids were training with hand made judogis and frequently leaving the sport, because of lack of judogis, I have thought of helping them with some kind of a social program.
    Here is a chance to give your old judogi a new life and purpose:
    http://yagadome.com/kids-programs/

    EDIT:
    This program is obviously based in Japan, where I have been promised the support of several elementary and high schools, for donations to one of my gyms in Osaka, from where I will send the judogis to gyms in Bulgaria, Brazil and any other country, in need of support.
    In case you would want to help this project in your home country, Id love to coordinate with local gyms and similar minded individuals for deliveries of old judogis directly to the gyms, where they are needed or a centre, from where we can send them to places, where underprivileged kids or orphans could find FREE use of them.

     
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    and the stupid ass leg grab returns, Khubetsov should have known about the 3 shido rule, as he was on his second, and that a leg grab (which he unfortunately did) resulted in a shido too, but it is so bs. I wish they would add a rule that allows some techniques required to leg grab. Like this:
     
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    More ippons anyone? I thought number 6 in this video was super slick.

     
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  8. Thycidides Blue Belt

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    What do you guys think of kata? Waste of time or is it valuable?

    Anyway I ended up joining a second judo club because I was so frustrated with my lack of progress and I started weight training. But one thing that is frustrating is the instructors at both clubs seem to emphasis learning a bunch of different throws rather than learning one or two.
     
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  9. Russky Green Belt

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    It depends what you call kata. Something like nage-no-kata does not have much practical value to me. On the other hand something like shadow uchikomi below that I can practice on my own is highly useful to master footwork.

     
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    Going to my dojo in a few minutes :)

    I'm thinking about doing kata as well. I think that might help me understand what I need to do but I'm not sure how the actual kata training is.
     
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    I think this is often a good thing. Learning about more throws will give you more to choose from, when you're developing your style. As opposed to just bashing out something like o soto gari and uchi mata, which may not suit your body type.
     
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    kata helps you learn the art.

    learning throws helps you figure out what works for you.

    hitting throws in randori helps you learn the sport.
     
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    We use it with new comers to get them used to being thrown. Getting them to relax and be good partner helps break the fear particularly in adults. Other than that it's only ever trained before national gradings as you need it here to advance belts even after winning matches. Other than that we don't really train it. Personally I'm not a big fan of focusing to much on it, seems like a poor use of mat time.
     
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    Really nice transition to osaekomi to win gold for Serbia.
     
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    How do you guys like to finish this?

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    I think this would be counted as osaecomi, no need to do anything else. Here is another cool option:


    And choke. This is well known technique; they make two important points: left knee blocking the elbow, and pressure on the back to lock the arm.
     
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    I would happily just hold uke in place. It is difficult to do anything with both of your legs trapped and in an uncomfortable position on the upper body. I will give it a try this week sometime
     
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  18. Thycidides Blue Belt

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    So I competed in my first judo tournament after spending the last couple years focusing on BJJ. Yeah I know I suck but advice is welcome.





    One thing I don't quite understand is the difference between a throw that counts as ippon and one the counts as wazari.



    I'm in the blue gi both matches.
     
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    an ippon throw is one that demonstrates speed, force, control, and uke landing largely on their back.

    any throw retaining most of these elements is now considered wazari, with the exception of any throw where the initial impact isn't on the back.

    if you fall flat on your ass and roll to the back, it doesn't count, nor does it count if you over-rotate someone onto their chest.

    they've also clarified that scoring throws where uke and tori land simultaneously don't score for anyone, regardless of who initiated the action
     
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  20. RJ Green Black Belt

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    as to your matches, you're still making some typical citrus belt mistakes:

    in the first match, you grip up with your ass out, looking down at your feet. this kills your mobility making it hard for you to initiate throws and even harder for you to evade them. when you put your ass out, your weight comes forward and you're making it much easier for someone to throw you forward or sideways.

    in the second match, your first series of attacks are done without any kuzushi. your lower body moves without any effort from your upper body to break their balance.

    after the standup, you stick your ass out again, and basically walk into a drop seoi that could've easily gone for ippon had he done a better job of throwing you onto your back.

    on the next series, you're again bending over at the waist. your tomoenage attempt didn't go because you relied on the drop rather than the kazushi, and had he done anything resembling a foot sweep or yelled a bit you could have easily ipponed yourself.

    the next sequence, again you're looking at your feet, and again he throws you with drop seoi that would have been an ippon under the pre-2016 rules. you were most definitely not in osaekomi when he called it, although once you dropped your inside hook it was super easy for him to pass. you should have shrimped onto your right side and used your right arm to push his knee away to re-establish the hook with your right leg, but you brought your arm up to upa and got it trapped. you also settled onto your shoulders when you should have kept thrashing around. once you're flat on your back with your head on the mat your posture is completely broken.

    you'll develop with time, but you've gotta break some bad habits:

    - you need to play with an upright posture and not look down at the feet, for the aforementioned reasons. you won't get footswept because you're watching their feet, you get footswept because you're out of position and off-balance.

    - you need to assert dominance with your kumi kata. you're basically just gripping to grip, rather than to shut down their throws or set up your own.

    - you need to develop good kuzushi by coordinating your upper and lower body movements.

    - you need to stop flopping to the mat. a good tomoenage or sum gaeshi establishes a dominant grip and uses a super-violent rolling motion to throw uke. you're just falling on your back.

    - when you shrimp, your heels need to be touching your ass, and you need to roll from shoulder-to-shoulder. you're otherwise basically just flopping around attempting a shitty bench press.

    if you make a concerted effort to address these weaknesses you'll develop quickly, otherwise you're gonna stagnate for quite a while.

    the internet makes everyone talking analytically to sound like a dick. i'm not trying to shit on you at all, and kudos to you for sticking with it and trying to improve yourself. i'd have more positive feedback if the matches went longer or if you'd mounted any offense.

    try not to get discouraged. judo has a super-steep learning curve, and is deceptively complex. it's introduced to you as elementary math, but it's more like college-level physics. in real time. in pajamas.
     
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