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The BJJ program is big but not many people also want to do judo because they think it hurts.
Judo is pain.
The BJJ program is big but not many people also want to do judo because they think it hurts.
Beginners have little use of doing uchi komi, ukemi and basic nage waza should be main focus.
Some people are really good in doing tomoe nage or tani otoshi without any uchi komi at all related to those throws - so maybe uchi komi is overrated for other throws as well?
I'd counter that tani otoshi is mechanically simple and is more a matter of spotting opportunity, and tomoe nage is that plus manipulating uke beyond what uchikomi practices.
But, people who do these throws well certainly got good by doing uchikomi on other throws. Uchikomi develops control using the gi.
hows your roboankle holding up?
Uchi komi is overrated, I'm not sure whether it works at all. ..
Personally I'm not sure whether uchi komi makes throwing skills much better - my best throws in randori and competition were those that I never did any uchi komi at all.
You probably outrank me me but can I ask yours? I'm a nikyu with 6 years (non consecutive...moving every three-four years sucks! And so does long term injury)
OK, using myself as an example then; one of my favorite throws was uchi mata but the mechanical pattern and grip of how I used it was very different from the uchi komi pattern. My kosoto gake was very good but I never trained uchikomi for it and not for my ura nage or utsuri goshi either. I did plenty of uchikomis for osoto gari but I throwed osoto otoshi instead in competition.
Uchi komi is overrated, I'm not sure whether it works at all. ..
How would you judge it as working? Serious question. People have different goals for doing them, or none at all. Sometimes it's no more than an aerobic exercise. Some think it'll speed up their entry. Some think it'll improve their throwing (but how???). I like uchikomi to practice the subtle control points for the throw, efficiently, so I don't have to wait for uke to get up every time.
For the throws you listed, I may have no use for uchikomi either. Some are not so subtle, and others depend on how you do them or the grip you take. Mainly, the lapel grip is complex and is most suited for uchikomi.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think you need tons of uchikomi. Unless I have something in mind to work on, I'd rather do something else. It's good to get lots of people on the mat warmed up for randori.
As I mentioned above; it may work as a general preperation for pulling-pushing etc. but if it makes us technical better for throws then it never worked well for me, because I did tons of uchikomi when I competed and I never noticed much carryover for throwing since I became very good doing uchikomi on the "wrong" throws that I never managed to use well in randori/shiai and vice versa. I cannot see any good reasons why uchikomi should make you more efficient for throwing either - except for getting nervous system prepared for the pulling-pushing action related to kuzushi.
Why should nagekomi make you better at throwing either then? After all it doesn't match application in randori either.
There is a point during entry of the throw, transitioning to kake, where ideally you have such control over uke that no matter what you are going to throw for ippon. That's what I practice uchikomi for.
It's better than nagekomi because you have enough experience to know when something will work well or not. Why waste time throwing then?
But that's only when you want to practice the entry.
His ears are a proof that is ground game is very good.How good is Ono's ground game? He could be something in MMA as a LW.
Nage komi has a certain degree of carryover since you are actually performing the full movement - especially if you practise it "yaku soku geiko" style - but the best way to become good for throwing in randori is to do tons of it against many partners of different size. Some people are "world champions" throwing in randori but not necessary the best in shiai though.
There are many different uchikomi styles, if you do it randori-esque lifting partner up on your hip etc. then there may be more carryover than doing it like most people usually practise it by moving mechanically or standing still. Personally I now think that I should have done far less uchikomi and more other stuff - but thats me lol...