Official Judo Thread VII

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IMO, this is one of those things where linguistic implications get lost in translation.

"Harai" in this sense means "turning" and implies rotation. Harai goshi is classically translated as "sweeping hip throw" whereas the better way to think about it that encompasses the original term and intent is "rotating hip throw."

OTOH, understood in context, "uchi mata" implies a reap of the inner thigh.

Not knowing what you already know about the initial footwork, if you heard these terms that describe the principal action in isolation - "inner thigh reap" vs "rotating hip throw," would you assume that these techniques are related to each other?

The kanji for harai means sweep. Is there some Japanese context you are aware of for this case?
 
Well, it is a bit of a sliding scale, but the point being that the principal action of sasae tsurikomi ashi happens in kuzushi; without tori pulling uke up and forward, it is not sasae tsurikomi ashi. Sasae tsurikomi ashi is no more realistic in practice (with standard grips) for a 5' 6" tori to perform on a 6' 2" uke than a 6' 2" tori to perform morote seoi nage on a 5' 6" uke.

Speaking in classical terms, sasae tsurikomi ashi has a very clear upper body lift component (elbow pointed and pulling up and out in classical form) whereas hiza guruma you're pulling down and around the circle defined by the pivot of the knee.

Without seeing your lateral drop, it's hard to say.
Short tori on tall uke sasae- the famous Muneta throw.
I dont really bother with the small details of the throws. Nobody in competitive judo does gokyo throws anyway. Its all variations.
When I teach, I rarely name the throws anymore.
As for the lateral drop- if Im able to get my hips close to his, its sasae (following your description, lifting as in half suplex)
If not, its hizaguruma (blocking his knee and pulling him over)
 
Short tori on tall uke sasae- the famous Muneta throw.
I dont really bother with the small details of the throws. Nobody in competitive judo does gokyo throws anyway. Its all variations.
When I teach, I rarely name the throws anymore.
As for the lateral drop- if Im able to get my hips close to his, its sasae (following your description, lifting as in half suplex)
If not, its hizaguruma (blocking his knee and pulling him over)

I am tall guy here but sometimes I do sasae using my belly, I am not that fat but helps ...
 
Did you throw your cowboy hat in the air, fire off a brace of pistols, and eat a 3lb Freedom Burger while shouting "YEEEEEEHAAAAW!" after posting this comment?

I will throw you over my knee with osoto and spank you with my cowboy hat you fjord diving, lutefisk munching socialist. If it wasn't for my grandpappy you'd be goosestepping to Wagner.
 
I will throw you over my knee with osoto and spank you with my cowboy hat you fjord diving, lutefisk munching socialist. If it wasn't for my grandpappy you'd be goosestepping to Wagner.

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Here's a nice judo tutorial on one of my favorite throws, the reverse arm throw. Whether you want to call this particular variation a reverse seoi, a modified sode tsurikomi goshi or a reverse entry kata guruma, I really could not care less. (I originally learned it for no gi from a Greco guy.) It is, regardless, one of the coolest throws out there.
 


Here's a nice judo tutorial on one of my favorite throws, the reverse arm throw. Whether you want to call this particular variation a reverse seoi, a modified sode tsurikomi goshi or a reverse entry kata guruma, I really could not care less. (I originally learned it for no gi from a Greco guy.) It is, regardless, one of the coolest throws out there.


I love this throw.
Quite difficult to pull off in today judo though.
Since you are not allowed to break grips with two hands, you have to break the colar grip with one hand, without exagerating movement, which is quite difficult. If you move around your upper body, you will lose the momentum for the entry.
And of course, the 3 seconds rule about cross gripping.

There are ways to keep his leading arm elbow up, so you can duck under it your body and throw, but it would be extremely difficult to break the lapel grip uke has on you with one hand and throw cross grip, all together under 5 seconds.

I can suggest working around the grip, similar to sode.
By using your elbow against his, you can lift his hand up, moving your elbow vertically up, like you are hitting an uppercut with it. Even if he continues holding your lapel, you create a large space to enter with your hip and execute the throw.
Rotate on your rear leg and you are in position.
Have to be extra careful about the position of uke's elbow. If its pointed down, you will most probably break it and be disqualified.
 
Throw is cool but borderline useless under modern judo gripping rules.

Also very hard to control the arm right without arm barring the guy or losing the throw.

I would call it a sode tsurikomi based on the throw mechanics.
 
Yeah, I realize it's very hard to use under IJF rules, I just posted it in the judo thread since the guy has a judo background. I only do BJJ/SW, so I can hold on to the Russian 2 on 1 as much as I want, provided that the guy wants to stand. (Getting rarer these days.)

I've had the most success in sparring/drilling hitting it off of a failed/faked cross body osoto, like this one:



If he moves his far leg back early when I go for the reap, to avoid getting twisted up, he exposes himself to the reverse arm throw, which I've already half-way stepped into with my osoto-ing leg. I kinda made up the entry myself, but I've later seen some Korean judo guy enter sode in the same way.
 
Yoko o soto! It's my tokui waza. (btw, I will henceforth call it the "yo soto" because reasons)

Your follow up sounds similar to the Korean morote, one of my other faves.

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I tried Korean morote. Not my thing. Looks lovely though, as does the reverse seoi nage.

Man, the only times I end up posting in this thread recently I'm half cut or worse.
 
Hey, Merry Christmas to all you guys!
There's a great year ahead!
BTW, seems like I will be roaming Japan twice next year, so if anyone is around between beginning of March and end of May, let me know, so I can give you some nice Bulgarian spanking!
 
Hey, Merry Christmas to all you guys!
There's a great year ahead!
BTW, seems like I will be roaming Japan twice next year, so if anyone is around between beginning of March and end of May, let me know, so I can give you some nice Bulgarian spanking!

I think I'm going June time, will you still be there then? I haven't finalised anything yet but I'll still have exams in May.
 
I tried Korean morote. Not my thing. Looks lovely though, as does the reverse seoi nage.

Man, the only times I end up posting in this thread recently I'm half cut or worse.

Aside from my hiatus, I haven't done it in a while, just because I've been focusing so hard on o soto variations.

I'm going to start working it next practice.
 
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