Obscurity of Shoot Boxing

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  1. AmericanParadox

    AmericanParadox Green Belt

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    I'm recently getting into Shoot Boxing quite a bit. But trying to find info on it leaves me with more questions than answers.

    Why is it so hard to find good info on shoot boxing in English? It seems absurd in the age of technology. It's obviously at least marginally popular in Japan, having attracted guys like Buakaw.

    Some of the things I'm having trouble finding:
    -Any current rankings (even then Japanese pages seem to be years out of date)
    - Upcoming events, recent results
    - Any info on the US rep for shoot boxing
    - any other orgs? Or just the one created by Caesar Takeshi?
    -What is the structure? Are there feeder gyms in Jpn?
    -Most info says this is an org as well as a MA style. Are there levels or rankings or anything? Are there specific techniques?
    -what's up with the belts on the spats?
    -can anyone give me any good links for Shoot Boxing info?
    - what is the reason for the lack of proliferation of Shoot Boxing awareness?

    Please take into consideration I'm a SB/ Kickboxing neophyte and search function doesn't work on my tablet, thanks!
     
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  2. Fire of Youth

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    I remember hearing about shoot boxing many years ago when MMA wasn't a signature term yet. From what I remember, shoot boxing was just a version of MMA (striking and grappling) that was being marketed before UFC became mainstream and MMA became a legitamate sport. I don't remember anything else about it. If my memory is correct, then that is why you probably can't find much on it. They just stopped calling it shoot boxing and started calling it MMA.
     
  3. cheesus

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    I thought shoot boxing had certain rules on time limits on the ground etc.
     
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    Shoot fighting was an early variant of MMA that evolved in Japan before the UFC had its first event. Its kinda funny that we think of UFC 1 and style vs style, because in reality Ken Shamrock was already a shoot fighter(mix martial artist).

    It got its grappling elements from Catch wrestling(transmitted through Japanese pro wrestling) and its striking from Kickboxing.

    Edited to correct myself mixing up shoot boxing and shoot fighting.
     
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  5. Harukaze

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    You're thinking of "shootfighting". Shootboxing is an organization/promotion that was started by Caesar Takeshi 25 years ago that allows strikes, clinching, takedowns, and submission holds from standing. It's got a niche following in Japan but not big enough to make it a "big deal" in North America, although it has a certain degree of involvement in Southeast Asia and the Netherlands.

    For TS, here's plenty of info... but you're SOL if you can't read Japanese haha.
    Shootboxing Homepage
    http://shootboxing.org/new/
    Top fighters list:
    http://shootboxing.org/new/rank/
    Official FB:
    https://www.facebook.com/shootboxing
    Official Twitter:
    https://twitter.com/SHOOT_BOXING
     
  6. onne1983

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    Cheesus,
    You mix up Shootboxing and Shooto.

    Shooto has a limited time on the ground, Shootboxing is just stand up fighting. (Kickboxing, Muaythai, Judo and standing submissions)
     
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    AmericanParadox Green Belt

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    D'OH!
    One of the many things I plan on learning "eventually". thanks anyway, lol.
     
  8. AmericanParadox

    AmericanParadox Green Belt

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    But yes, Harukaze is correct. I am looking for info on ShootBoxing "Stand Up Vale Tudo", the one with Andy Souwer, the S-Cup, Rena, etc.

    NOT Bart Vale's Shootfighting or Sayama Satoru's Shooto
     
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    europe1 It´s a nice peninsula to Asia

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    Amusing how a thread titled "Obscurity of Shoot Boxing" becomes mainly about people confusing Shoot Boxing for Shooto and Shootfighting.:)
     
  10. AmericanParadox

    AmericanParadox Green Belt

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    haha true.

    All I know is, I find the high level fights incredibly entertaining, with the suplexes and whatnot. The lower level and women's fights are sloppy but still fun to watch, and Rena is seksy.
     
  11. NidNoi

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    Big lie but no surprise
     
  12. AmericanParadox

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    What do you mean?
     
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    VicariousVice Brown Belt

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    Do yourself a favour and just ignore NidNoi. Hes one of the resident trolls.
     
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    He told a lie.
     
  15. AmericanParadox

    AmericanParadox Green Belt

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    lol I see
     
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    Name rings a bell, but that's it
     
  17. Harukaze

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    You're an ignorant moron, there's an official branch gym in Hong Kong and competitors from as far as Nepal. And guess what? Even Chamuakpetch Harpalang has fought in Shootboxing before. So go crawl back into your cave.

    That also reminds me, there is also some Australian involvement in the sport as well.
     
  18. NidNoi

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia
     
  19. Harukaze

    Harukaze Brown Belt

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    Right, like Wikipedia is the bastion of objective fact on the internet. I'm done with your idiot trolling. And you didn't even address the fact that one of the greatest nak muay Thai of all time has fought in Shootboxing before.
     
  20. Heartbell

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    Shoot Boxing is a great organization. Here is the official rules video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaDTjBYlB24

    Shoot Boxing right now is largely notable for it's women's divisions and tournaments. It's biggest start is RENA, but Mizuki Inoue, Erika Kamimura, Seo Hee Ham, Hisae Watanabe, Ai Takahashi, VV Mei, and many other notable fighters have competed. MIO is rising star of the 48kg division, but she was upset by Mizuki Inoue's protege Yukari Yamaguchi in the finals of this year's 48kg tournament.
     
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