NY Post : "Trump is totally right about the dangers of Medicare for All"

providing a similar service is literally what the paragraph says would be illegal. Doctors in the public system would be salaried and paid by the government.... so how much doctors get paid has fuck all to do with it.

anything else you need explained to you?
Well, considering that health insurance companies do indeed provide a very similar service to what the proposed bill would have provided, I think you have determined for me that the bill would have banned private health insurance. I thank you for your help.
 
Well, considering that health insurance companies do indeed provide a very similar service to what the proposed bill would have provided, I think you have determined for me that the bill would have banned private health insurance. I thank you for your help.
oh look, there you go creating fantasies again.
 
oh look, there you go creating fantasies again.
How can you possibly say that a private healthcare sector isn't competing with a public one? The private sector's goal is to take patients away from the public sector in order to make more money.

Either you've successfully trolled me (bravo) or you're retarded.
 
How can you possibly say that a private healthcare sector isn't competing with a public one? The private sector's goal is to take patients away from the public sector in order to make more money.

Either you've successfully trolled me (bravo) or you're retarded.
its not possible to "take away" patients from the public system. Learn about public systems before commenting again. You are clueless so this conversation is pointless
 
its not possible to "take away" patients from the public system. Learn about public systems before commenting again. You are clueless so this conversation is pointless
If it isn't possible to compete with a public system, then why would the verbage exist in the bill? You still haven't explained what exactly is being forbidden by the bill.

Providing healthcare is what the public system does. It is expressly forbidding private insurers from doing that. To claim otherwise is stupid. I'm off to bed. Good luck
 
thats bullshit, all nations that have universal healthcare also have a private option.

this is fear mongering bullshit
SEC. 107. PROHIBITION AGAINST DUPLICATING COVERAGE.
(a) In General.—Beginning on the effective date described in section 106(a), it shall be unlawful for—

(1) a private health insurer to sell health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits provided under this Act; or

(2) an employer to provide benefits for an employee, former employee, or the dependents of an employee or former employee that duplicate the benefits provided under this Act.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th...4/text#toc-ide37941c014034d0b92c46663a00be99d
 
ssshhhhhh I never thought nor do I believe the Democrats would ever turn against Medicare-for-all. They're THAT stupid.

Yes, Democrats are so stupid that they believe in something that works in every other major developed country in the world and that, by every estimate across the political spectrum, would save millions to billions of dollars in the process.

They're just that stupid. A smart person would oppose such a system because........? I'll leave that for the smart people to justify.
 
ssshhhhhh I never thought nor do I believe the Democrats would ever turn against Medicare-for-all. They're THAT stupid.

Whats stupid is having 'insurance' that doesnt even kick in until you pay 5,000$ and still believing its the greatest healthcare system in the world

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MURKA!!!!
 
I see the "UHC has years of waiting lists" lie is still going strong lol.

That´s almost as good as the "well we are 300 million and to fucking stupid to make economics of scale work in our favor" excuse.

There is a very good reason that you don´t see a single country with UHC say "hmm lets ditch this shit and get that awesome US model"
 
Why does it matter that one is a voluntary decision while the other is forced by the government?
I didn't realize asking a question I genuinely want answered could cause such a response. I'm always interested in getting different posters opinionss. I notice a lot of people just let their emotions flow now days. It's a good thing in a way because holding in stress is bad health.

If you need health insurance, and everyone else does too, you are gonna be forced to pay either way.

Lmao no wonder you're a far leftist

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I didn't realize asking a question I genuinely want answered could cause such a response.

It was a stupid question. Nobody likes being forced to do things. Especially not by the government
If you need health insurance, and everyone else does too, you are gonna be forced to pay either way.

I don't need health insurance. You guys would sell your souls for dat health insurance lol
 
No, I'm saying we have a surplus of goods and can recruit the best of anything from around the world as a result. We have insane salaries for anyone in the medical field. From general practice to a specialist in neuroscience. We have these facilities that are as Joe Rogan would say "World Class" and we have the best doctors working there. We have an economic advantage over everyone else. It's pretty insane.

Not if we negatively impact the perception of legal immigration and immigrants to this country. We're not the only country in the world recruiting high end medical talent. Those professionals are bringing their families with them and they want to know that they're going to be accepted and their families will be accepted. If they question that then they'll go to other countries like the UK (which has a great brand internationally) or Germany or France. Europe and Canada are very attractive destinations for international professionals.

Anecdotally, I know this conversation is taking place in India where some young professionals are discussing job opportunities in multiple countries and the question of "where" in America because some parts of America won't treat them very well. Again, strictly anecdotally so I'm not assigning it much worth but if I'm hearing that (and we're being asked that by friends of the wife's family) then at least some people are discussing it. It's not going to affect places like Harvard and Stanford and MIT but some of the Midwest schools might suffer.
 
Anyone that uses the tactics you just used has no ground to stand on. its the equivalent of "I know a black person, thus cant be racist". Your wife, and her family does not equate to all of Canada, nor does your knowledge of them, mean you know all there is about Canada...you suck almost as much as the health care system in Canada.

BTW, ill throw in a story from CANADA TV AKA CTV.

'Canada ranked last among 11 OECD countries in terms of how quick patients can get an appointment with their regular family doctor"

"Emergency room wait times is another area where Canada is ranked last, with 26 per cent reporting that they've waited four hours or more to be seen in the emergency department."


"Up to 15% of Canadians don't have a family doctor"

Other findings include:

  • Accessing medical care after hours without going to an emergency room is difficult for 62 per cent of Canadians
  • Between two and 20 per cent of Canadian women have never had a Pap test, and up to 34 per cent of women have never been screened for breast cancer
  • 61 per cent of Canadians do not get reminders when they are due for preventive care; the rate has gone unchanged since 2004
  • 20 per cent of Canadians hospitalized overnight left without written instructions about what they should do and what symptoms to watch for at home

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/canad...countries-in-health-care-wait-times-1.1647061

To be fair, the US ranked second to last in the "how quick" category, and their measurement seems to be whether you could get a same day or next day appointment. If you're in that much a rush, maybe you should be in emerge. I know lots of people who stay with the same doctor even though they either never see them or don't like them, and as their client list gets too big to handle. A lot of doctors are hucksters, it takes some searching.
 
SEC. 107. PROHIBITION AGAINST DUPLICATING COVERAGE.
(a) In General.—Beginning on the effective date described in section 106(a), it shall be unlawful for—

(1) a private health insurer to sell health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits provided under this Act; or

(2) an employer to provide benefits for an employee, former employee, or the dependents of an employee or former employee that duplicate the benefits provided under this Act.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th...4/text#toc-ide37941c014034d0b92c46663a00be99d
that doesnt say what you think it says
 
If it isn't possible to compete with a public system, then why would the verbage exist in the bill? You still haven't explained what exactly is being forbidden by the bill.

Providing healthcare is what the public system does. It is expressly forbidding private insurers from doing that. To claim otherwise is stupid. I'm off to bed. Good luck
for the idiots like yourself. Its basically saying that the public option will take control of healthcare, and that private insurers cannot offer base level medical cover anymore because it is already covered. They must only offer an upgrade on what is offered by the public option. @panamaican explained it all far better earlier in the thread.
 
To be fair, the US ranked second to last in the "how quick" category, and their measurement seems to be whether you could get a same day or next day appointment. If you're in that much a rush, maybe you should be in emerge. I know lots of people who stay with the same doctor even though they either never see them or don't like them, and as their client list gets too big to handle. A lot of doctors are hucksters, it takes some searching.

The rate in the US is offset by the millions on Medicaid, which is garbage. The times for those with their own insurance is far lower.

Therein lies the problem. Stats in America need to be split between those that have their own insurance, and those on government provided garbage to actually be able to see the differences.

Your ending comment is spot on, everywhere, sadly.
 
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