Nuclear giant Westinghouse going bankrupt, parent company Toshiba may not survive fallout

Not surere this is really a political thing.
Just wait. Soon this discussion will be about nuclear weapons. Then someone will bring up Hiroshima and Nagasaki and how it was Christians who did those strikes, hence Christianity is worse than Islam.
 
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i would love for nuclear to do better, if people actually care about clean energy, nuclear is a very viable option

Nuclear just cant hold a candle to the modularity of renewables and the power inteconnectivity of HVDC lines.

Simply its a technology that isnt working anymore. It will probably make a comeback in the future as the need for steady energy returns after the drying up of non-renewable resources.
 
Japan gov cant allow Toshiba to go down, bail out should happen.

The domestic jobs losses would hurt then badly.

Why not? The former employees, or management can just get together, pull in some favors, and start new companies. Now they be rid of their old bosses, and can truly by free to pursue their own visions.
 
Schematics are easily obtained. Shit, Westinghouse provide NK their reactors

Common commercial-grade, land-based, civilian nuclear reactors the size of large buildings are dime a dozen.

The miniature military-grade marine nuclear reactors specifically designed to power aircraft carriers, destroyers, and submarines are the crown jewels that China can only dreams of manufacturing.

They've been experimenting with crude nuclear-powered submarines using civilian nuclear tech for over two decades now, and those prototypes are an unending source for amusement in the military circle, because they're even worse than Cold War era diesel subs.

The Liaoning Chinese carrier is also currently running on six gigantic diesel generators, not because the crew enjoy choking on the exhaust.

Now, imagine a company famous for designing and building nuclear reactors for the Nimitz-class supercarriers sudden becomes Chinese.

Behind the scene, the U.S government is scrambling to find an American company (or one from an Allied nation) to take Westinghouse off Toshiba's hand before the fire-sale begins, that much I'm sure.
 
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i would love for nuclear to do better, if people actually care about clean energy, nuclear is a very viable option

So you found a solution for nuclear waste?
 
Here's the latest idea being tested by the Department of Energy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_borehole_disposal

I'm hoping that a few hundred years from now, we can throw everything we don't need into the Sun, instead of burying them underground.

Once we are able to make space launches that do not have a 2%ish failure rate, maybe.


From NEI:
Over the past four decades, the entire industry has produced 76,430 metric tons of used nuclear fuel.

The Falcon Heavy will be able to lift 54 metric tons. We would need about 1400 to 1500 launches to get rid of the stuff. At the 98% success rate Delta II and Space Shuttle missions have had, that would mean we'd currently look at about 30 launches where nuclear waste would be dispersed into the atmosphere.
 
Here's the latest idea being tested by the Department of Energy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_borehole_disposal
I'm hoping that a few hundred years from now, we can throw everything we don't need into the Sun, instead of burying them underground.

Could be doing it already and safely if there was a will for it. Dumping it and living on that dump is just so much cheaper in the short term.

Once we are able to make space launches that do not have a 2%ish failure rate, maybe.
From NEI:
Over the past four decades, the entire industry has produced 76,430 metric tons of used nuclear fuel.

The Falcon Heavy will be able to lift 54 metric tons. We would need about 1400 to 1500 launches to get rid of the stuff. At the 98% success rate Delta II and Space Shuttle missions have had, that would mean we'd currently look at about 30 launches where nuclear waste would be dispersed into the atmosphere.

Solutions already exist.

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Once we are able to make space launches that do not have a 2%ish failure rate, maybe.


From NEI:
Over the past four decades, the entire industry has produced 76,430 metric tons of used nuclear fuel.

The Falcon Heavy will be able to lift 54 metric tons. We would need about 1400 to 1500 launches to get rid of the stuff. At the 98% success rate Delta II and Space Shuttle missions have had, that would mean we'd currently look at about 30 launches where nuclear waste would be dispersed into the atmosphere.

remember when silly russians used plutonium and uranium as their battery cell of choice?

Canada remembers

Kosmos 954
 
Common commercial-grade, land-based, civilian nuclear reactors the size of large buildings are dime a dozen.

The miniature military-grade marine nuclear reactors specifically designed to power aircraft carriers, destroyers, and submarines are the crown jewels that China can only dreams of manufacturing.

They've been experimenting with crude nuclear-powered submarines using civilian nuclear tech for over two decades now, and those prototypes are an unending source for amusement in the military circle, because they're even worse than Cold War era diesel subs.

The Liaoning Chinese carrier is also currently running on six gigantic diesel generators, not because the crew enjoy choking on the exhaust.

Now, imagine a company famous for designing and building nuclear reactors for the Nimitz-class supercarriers sudden becomes Chinese.

Behind the scene, the U.S government is scrambling to find an American company (or one from an Allied nation) to take Westinghouse off Toshiba's hand before the fire-sale begins, that much I'm sure.

China is already steamrolling in that game

"The most advanced small modular reactor project is in China, where Chinergy is starting to build the 210 MWe HTR-PM, which consists of twin 250 MWt high-temperature gas-cooled reactors (HTRs) which build on the experience of several innovative reactors in the 1960s to 1980s."

Could China build the world’s smallest nuclear power plant and send it to the South China Sea?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...china-is-designing-portable-nuclear-reactors/
China is Designing Portable Nuclear Reactors
 
Why not? The former employees, or management can just get together, pull in some favors, and start new companies. Now they be rid of their old bosses, and can truly by free to pursue their own visions.

ohh yes sure lol. Such great idea, that's why the us car makers got bailed out.
 
Here's the latest idea being tested by the Department of Energy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_borehole_disposal

I'm hoping that a few hundred years from now, we can throw everything we don't need into the Sun, instead of burying them underground.

If something goes wrong with the storage you have a problem 4km under the ground, which is probably going to go unnoticed and going to be impossible to fix if you did.
 
Nuclear just cant hold a candle to the modularity of renewables and the power inteconnectivity of HVDC lines.

Simply its a technology that isnt working anymore. It will probably make a comeback in the future as the need for steady energy returns after the drying up of non-renewable resources.

Meh we have 50 years of crude in the ground, we'll be dead by time it matters so who cares? - some shertard.
 
China is already steamrolling in that game

"The most advanced small modular reactor project is in China, where Chinergy is starting to build the 210 MWe HTR-PM, which consists of twin 250 MWt high-temperature gas-cooled reactors (HTRs) which build on the experience of several innovative reactors in the 1960s to 1980s."

Could China build the world’s smallest nuclear power plant and send it to the South China Sea?
China is Designing Portable Nuclear Reactors

Again, you're not actually disagreeing with me, even though you think you are.

China has been experimenting with Soviet nuclear reactor designs for decades, what they're STILL unable to do is converting those blueprints towards an indigenous (Made in China) marine nuclear reactors that could be used safely and reliably in military naval applications without blowing themselves up.

When Chinese news reports say "portable nuclear reactors", they're talking about a unit that could be packed up in pieces and shipped to another location, then puts to work on solid terra firma. Those smaller, lighter, structurally-weaker, and still completely stationary units are what you've been reading on.

What I'm talking about here are truly portable nuclear reactors that could operates safe and quietly in full capacity while in violent motion aboard a navy ship on the high seas, such as the Westinghouse and General Electric nuclear reactors powering the U.S Navy's massive fleet of nuclear-powered submarines, nuclear-powered missile destroyers, and nuclear-powered aircraft carriers.

That, is a game that the Chinese definitely NOT steamrolling, as they're lagging far behind in the prototype phase. Their fleet of brand new 21st-Century warships running on antiquated diesel steam engines is a testament to that.

At the end of the day, American Admirals can send their nuclear-powered warships charging into battle anytime, anywhere, without a single worry that all the violent twisting and turning in every possible directions might makes the nuclear reactors on-board go into melt-down.

The Chinese, not so much.
 
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ohh yes sure lol. Such great idea, that's why the us car makers got bailed out.

They got bailed out to save face. I am still not seeing more Murican cars out there taking up more chunk of the market. I am especially not seeing more Murican sedans or even minivans that are marketed to everyday people. Every now and then I see a Ford Explorer.
 
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