Non steroid alternatives (ostarine mk2866 talk)

Contempt said:
Well the forum users here that have used it all appear to be alive still so that's something right?
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How's the shoulder? I'm concerned that if I take this then I'll feel comfortable doing heavier weights that my body isn't really ready for and I could get an injury.

What happened when you tore your shoulder? Were you lifting heavy
 
Robocok said:
How's the shoulder? I'm concerned that if I take this then I'll feel comfortable doing heavier weights that my body isn't really ready for and I could get an injury.

What happened when you tore your shoulder? Were you lifting heavy
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I'm just an idiot. It's not the Osta that did it as it was six weeks since I had any. I have had three shoulder surgeries already (all torn labrum) I think I have some kind of weird weakness there.

I was doing shoulder presses with 2 x 15kg (33lb) dumbells and it was feeling a bit light as I could do 15 reps easily and there was a pair of 25kg (55lb) handy so I figured fuck it, I'll just use that, first 6 reps good... 7th, not so much :-(

It appears that adding 22lb per dumbell in one go was not a smart move... who'd have thunk it? As I said, I'm an idiot. Already had the MRI and seeing the surgeon on Monday unfortunately.
 
Contempt said:
I'm just an idiot. It's not the Osta that did it as it was six weeks since I had any. I have had three shoulder surgeries already (all torn labrum) I think I have some kind of weird weakness there.

I was doing shoulder presses with 2 x 15kg (33lb) dumbells and it was feeling a bit light as I could do 15 reps easily and there was a pair of 25kg (55lb) handy so I figured fuck it, I'll just use that, first 6 reps good... 7th, not so much :-(

It appears that adding 22lb per dumbell in one go was not a smart move... who'd have thunk it? As I said, I'm an idiot. Already had the MRI and seeing the surgeon on Monday unfortunately.
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That's shit news mate. Nail the rehab and stick to a religious program of increment and prehab. Hope to see you back on it by the end of the year.
 
Thanks but I'll be fine. I was told before my last surgery that I would be looking at a 12 month period till full recovery. Within 3 months I was back to doing 50 pushups.

I'm hoping for a quick surgery as I am going to Europe for a month in three months time. If I can't get in quickly then it will have to be put off till October as I'm not going there with a fucked up arm in a sling... that would suck.
 
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What are you guys doing in terms of how long before using them again? Waiting 2 weeks? 4 weeks? 8 weeks?
 
Phlog said:
I have used liquid with good effects. It's cheaper than capsules.

Most importantly I like to increase the dose by 2-5mg a week as I feel the best response a week after a relative increment. Capsules don't allow for such control over dose.

Will look into tho.
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Is that case, you can use powder and weigh the appropriate dosage yourself as well.
 
Phlog said:
That's shit news mate. Nail the rehab and stick to a religious program of increment and prehab. Hope to see you back on it by the end of the year.
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Some news, after about 6-7 weeks, I just saw the surgeon and he said that (although the MRI was garbage quality) he couldn't see anything major wrong with the shoulder and to continue what I was doing with some basic rehab and see how it goes and that I could get a cortisone shot if it was too painful.

Literally the next day, I was at the computer and shoulders felt stiff so I did a stretch and *riiiiiiiiip* I immediately thought, oh crap that's not good, that... actually feels a lot better, WTF? It's not 100% pain free but much better than it was previously... NFI what is going on but crossing fingers that this may have sorted out whatever the problem was.
 
Contempt said:
Some news, after about 6-7 weeks, I just saw the surgeon and he said that (although the MRI was garbage quality) he couldn't see anything major wrong with the shoulder and to continue what I was doing with some basic rehab and see how it goes and that I could get a cortisone shot if it was too painful.

Literally the next day, I was at the computer and shoulders felt stiff so I did a stretch and *riiiiiiiiip* I immediately thought, oh crap that's not good, that... actually feels a lot better, WTF? It's not 100% pain free but much better than it was previously... NFI what is going on but crossing fingers that this may have sorted out whatever the problem was.
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It's probably, tendons and muscular sheaths that had become a little stuck together, it might have happened as your shoulder repaired itself after the surgery. It can sometimes make it sound like something has gone wrong.
 
Contempt said:
Some news, after about 6-7 weeks, I just saw the surgeon and he said that (although the MRI was garbage quality) he couldn't see anything major wrong with the shoulder and to continue what I was doing with some basic rehab and see how it goes and that I could get a cortisone shot if it was too painful.

Literally the next day, I was at the computer and shoulders felt stiff so I did a stretch and *riiiiiiiiip* I immediately thought, oh crap that's not good, that... actually feels a lot better, WTF? It's not 100% pain free but much better than it was previously... NFI what is going on but crossing fingers that this may have sorted out whatever the problem was.
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Bekim said:
It's probably, tendons and muscular sheaths that had become a little stuck together, it might have happened as your shoulder repaired itself after the surgery. It can sometimes make it sound like something has gone wrong.
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That was my first thought, great news anyway. The idea of injury requiring surgery terrifies me. I am self employed so it would wipe me out but more importantly I'd have to say goodbye to the sport I love. I need to start thinking about an exit strategy because I ain't getting any younger.
 
Bekim said:
It's probably, tendons and muscular sheaths that had become a little stuck together, it might have happened as your shoulder repaired itself after the surgery. It can sometimes make it sound like something has gone wrong.
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My last shoulder surgery was 2.5 years ago but it is definitely plausible that this may have happened after a big tear that happened about 6-7 weeks ago. Here's hoping that it will fix itself after today as I'm really missing being able to lift and even HIIT sprints on the treadmill hurt it a lot.

A hell of a wake up call though, scared the shit out of me. I think I'll just take it easy and cut back from lifting too heavy from now on. It's not like I'm a professional athlete and am 9 days away from 38 so it's probably just time to lift for maintenance rather than PB's as it's not like I want to get above 180lb anyway.
 
Phlog said:
That was my first thought, great news anyway. The idea of injury requiring surgery terrifies me. I am self employed so it would wipe me out but more importantly I'd have to say goodbye to the sport I love. I need to start thinking about an exit strategy because I ain't getting any younger.
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Yeah, self employed as well but it wouldn't exactly be catastrophic as I typically just chuck on a suit and sit at a desk. Yet another surgery is definitely not something I want to happen. I have already had to give up training MMA due to cumulative injuries but it could always be a lot worse I guess.
 
I have noticed that my diastolic blood pressure is up a bit. Not worryingly so but it's an area to observe. I'm gonna hit cardio a lot more whilst maintaining to see if that gets sorted.
 
Phlog said:
I have noticed that my diastolic blood pressure is up a bit. Not worryingly so but it's an area to observe. I'm gonna hit cardio a lot more whilst maintaining to see if that gets sorted.
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Are you on a cycle currently?
 
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