Nganous takedown defense

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  1. tonil

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    What Blaydes did was some basic punch faking to get the takedown ,
    and Ngannou couldn't defend, I see Stipe vs Hunt happening with Nganou if Stipe take Nganou down

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    That is Stipes surest and safest path to victory imo.

    Mix up his wrestling with his striking.
     
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    I watched the Aussie & Fancy breakdown (Megan Anderson). They said that DC went for a single on Francis (messing about, play fighting) and that he never felt that much power (Francis put his hand on his head and pushed down). DC also said Francis defended it all wrong.

    Make of that what you will.

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    Not only is Blaydes a much better wrestler than Stipe but he also couldn't keep Ngannou down.

    While Stipe does have good cardio attempting to consistently take your opponent down will tire you out regardless of how good your gas tank is.

    If Stipe wins it's by KO not wrestling.
     
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    For someone to generate that much power they have to almost overcommit to their punches. It would definitely be a good idea for stipe just to keep Francis second guessing
     
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    Stipe doesn't necessarily have to complete the takedown to be successful. Stipe wins this fight Grinding, clinching and pressuring. He'll tire Ngannou out, and find an opening to crack that chin in the later rounds.
    Unless Ngannou finds Stipe's chin first.
     
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    Older fight, FN has improved by leaps and bounds (apparently) since the Blades fight, and he also won that fight :/ But yes, Stipe would be wise to follow that example.
     
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    Easy win for Stipe
    And a bunch of you are gonna feel so stupid
     
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    How so? Blaydes was a JuCo National champ but Stipe wrestled D1 at Cleveland State. In terms of MMA wrestling/grappling, I'd say Stipe's take downs are just as good and his ground control is far superior. Stipe can do it all and if he brings a grappling-centric approach to this fight I think he'll have a major advantage here. The only thing I'm wondering is if Ngannou has some Kongo-like endurance. He's been in there with decent wrestlers before, they always took him down, but he always managed to regain his feet and throw bombs without huffin' and puffin' at all, really.

    Very interesting fight, but I have a feeling that Ngannou has the cardio to hang with Stipe early and put him out later. Like I said though, this is just a hunch and Stipe could have him sucking wind through his asshole by the end of the first. Or he could KO him brutally.

    So many ways to lose in MMA.
     
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    I see this posted alot, but Stipe could also gas himself out playing that grind game against the bigger man.
     
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    Didn't Hunt from early 2015 (and just overall) have pretty good and very tested TDD? Stipe's cardio did fine there as he absolutely demolished Hunt.

    And Hunt also is/was at least as good of a striker has Francis.

    I think the Stipe/Hunt fight is a very good indicator of what will likely happen here.
     
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    this....

    Even if Ngannou wins...this seems to be a glaring flaw in "muh ford escort power" he has in his punches

    He over extends himself and swings looping and wildly (albeit he lands accurately)

    Ngannou fans needs to come to grips with the he has never once faced a guy who can stick and move like stipe....nowhere close

    Blaydes has a great jab (rocked Ngannou in first 10 seconds of the fight)
    But not much beyond that in the way of a diverse striking arsenal....and he uses his face to block punch WAY too much (but he's still a developing fighter hopefully...so I'll give him time to grow)

    I honestly wouldn't be suprised if stipe doesnt even go for a takedown

    He might just kick, jab, 1-2, clinch and inside power shot his way to victory

    This is a horrible comparison btw(and it's boxing)(and it's tyson)
    But everytime I see ngannou swinging for the fences it makes me think of this
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    it's not a good indicator but because they're not similar in any way. Mark Hunt didn't have a height and reach advantage. Also Hunt didn't defend those takedowns well, almost like he was suprised by them. Overeem could barely move Francis in the clinch and that's his specialty. Stipe gassed himself out imo grappling with JDS. He was exhausted at the end of that fight. I'm not saying Stipe shouldn't wrestle, he definitely should. Im just wondering what his plan is if that's not successful, or if he's wasting more energy than Francis trying to implement that gameplan.
     
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    Overeem has never been much of an offensive wrestler. I don't see Stipe going for the clinch anyway, more likely he'll shoot on Francis. And we've already seen Francis outwrestled this way by a mediocre HW.

    Stipe has more tested and proven cardio than Francis, that's for sure.
     
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    If your talking about Blaydes he isn't mediocre especially in the wrestling department. Shit with Cain hurt him and Stipe are probably the best wrestlers in the division. Francis popped right back up when he was taken down. Blaydes got his takedowns with a well time double leg. Stipe seems more effective with the single leg, but from what we've seen I don't think it's going to be as easy as it was against Hunt, who didn't seem prepared for them at all.

    Edit: Overeem has fucked wrestlers up in his clinch. So nuetralizing him and a juco state champion wrestler is nothing to sneeze at.
     
  17. K.K.P.

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    That won't work. Overeem has one of the best clinches in HW next to Cain and couldn't to anything to Francis. If Stipe wants to grapple then it has to be on the ground only.
     
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    Pretty good way to sum up this fight. I just don't picture Stipe having the wrestling chops to straight out win the fight with wrestling. I think mixing it up, threatening the takedown, and then landing hard straight punches to lead to a TKO is his best way to victory. Ngannou should wait for Stipe to come forward too aggressively and catch with bombs as he pushes forward. More likely to happen when Francis is fresh - which means in the first 2 rounds.
     
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    Stipe doesn't have 1/100th of the defensive movement as that Tyson gif. In fact Stipes striking defense quite poor considering he got dropped multiple times.
     
  20. IBeLurkin

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    I agree Overeem's clinch is awesome, but it really doesn't have anything to do with Francis' TDD.

    I said Blaydes is a mediocre HW, and that's what I meant. Good wrestler, but not nearly as skilled overall as Stipe. And Stipe is right there with him as an MMA wrestler, along with having MUCH better skills everywhere else (including top control).
     

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