Ngannou's only loss showed us that...

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  1. SexyBaroni Green Belt

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    So here are fight higlights :



    There, Zoumana Cisse takes him down with judo trip and judo throw. Then goes for control and subs.

    Granted it was 4 years ago and Ngannou improved.

    But still, grappling for 4-5 years is not the same as grappling since 5-8 y.o.,
    so guys like healthy Cain and Stipe could give him problems with pressure in clinch
    and constant takedowns.

    Because last 2 fights showed us that striking with him is very dangerous.
    Probably Volkov is the only guy who could match Ngannou's power with karate technique and footwork.
    ( I really see him as a next contender, since improving striking with Shilt is... scary)

    Other then that - powerfull pressure grappling, mixing takedowns, GnP, Sub...

    Discuss.
     
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  2. BigMuffler Pride of Ashlianna

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    It shows that his weakness is THICCness!

    DC>Francis :D
     
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  3. Final Say Frustratingly Logical

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    You have to have both technical striking and wrestling and the ability to blend the two

    Stipe is a tough fight for him
     
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  4. Leone510 Yellow Card

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    Man nothing 4 years ago is relevant today when it comes to fighting. As a matter of fact 6 months does not mean crap to a fighter who is up and coming and learning.
     
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    Lost to a fucking sissy.
     
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  6. SexyBaroni Green Belt

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    Still grappling for 20+ years > fro 5 years.

    You can defend for couple rounds, but if you are not conditioned for that enough,
    that will show in championships rounds.

    If you get there, of course.
     
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    Francis be like, "I'm a trained motherfucker step off the track!"
     
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    I hope Miocic wins but I got a real bad feeling about this one.
     
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    that was like his 2nd pro fight...not really applicable today...look how far max holloway has come.
     
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  10. Furious77 Tell dat bitch to be cool.

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    He completely controlled Overeem in the clinch, which is where Reem usually dominates. He also nuetralized and shown the ability to pop back up after being taking down by a very good wrestler in Curtis Blaydes. The ghost of sea level Cain would probably tool Francis, but I don't know if there's a current HW that can do the same over 5 rounds.
     
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    I feel like a couple of those shots Ngannou landed in that fight, if they land today on Stipe, Stipe is going to sleep
     
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    He's a front runner, as soon as it doesn't go his way he'll become the black turtle lesnar.
     
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    That's ridiculous to say you have to be grappling your whole life to compete. GSP never grappled before his fight career look at him, and rory Mcdonald for that matter.
     
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    If you're gonna reference Ngannu loss from 4 years ago then, I guess we can discuss Stipe getting stopped by Struve in 2012. Both have improved immensely. To me it's a pickem fight.
     
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    Newsflash guys

    People can't improve
     
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    I'd be interesting to see proof to back this statement up.

    Or is he a frontrunner in the same way Carwin was, in that nobody he beat ever made it out of the first round?
     
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    You realise it happened many years ago when MMA was still legal in France?
     
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    It depends on the fighter of course but I think Ngannou is an obvious case were its not very relevant, some guys come into MMA with most of there skill set there already and just fill in a few gaps and delevop more ring smarks, Ngannou though didn't really have much MA background before this fight a few months into his training. Not to say he might not have a grappling weakness but really the Ngannou we see today is a totally different fighter.

    The only thing that actually seems that relevant about this match to me is arguably a positive, he's in bad positions several times but does not fold mentally.
     
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  19. The Natural Born Runner Black Mirror

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    Volkov is a great shout.
     
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    True, also blaydes took him down more than once as well, that's why I think Cain in particular would be a problem for him.
    Werdum would also be a problem due to his clinch and if he could get it to the ground then there's obviously a problem for ngannou
     
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