Ngannou vs Prime Cro Cop in a ring

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  1. MiroHa

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    Cro Cop was a pretty special athlete despite his smallish size at HW. Schaub said CC was the strongest opponent he fought.
     
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    2004 HWGP Kharitonov had great skills.
     
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    as a casual idiot i believe ngannou beats anyone from any era on the planet with ease
     
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    Tyson fought in the 90ies, look at the fighters today, in every combat sport.
    Anthony Joshua is huge, so is Wilder, Tyson Fury and the Klitschkos.


    Judo has Teddy Riner, fellow countryman of Ngannou, a giant.

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    Greco has Mijian Lopez, basically a black Karelin.

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    Freestyle had Artur Taymazov on top for years, a real life ogre.

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    Kickboxing has Rico Verhoeven, a fit athletic 260 pounds man.

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    In a recent interview he talked about Anderson Silva, not the mma fighter but the kickboxer, about a potential matchup.

    "Anderson Silva, he's okay. He's a good fighter, but he's not... Championship worthy is not the right words to say, but he's not on that level. He's been around for a few years, but I don't think he has the level to be the champion. I mean zero disrespect, because I love his style of fighting, but his body is just not built for real heavyweight. He's like 100 kilos. 102, 103. If you get a guy at 115 or 120 kilos, it's just a big difference."

    Anderson Silva is still bigger than Rob Kaman, Ernesto Hoost, Andy Hug and Crocop in their Kickboxing heyday, but today is a different ball game.
     
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    Beating those guys only counts if it's in the UFC.
     
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    Francis can be another Todd duffee for all we know lol.
     
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    Overeem has a win over him as well, when he was still fighting at 205.




    Kharitonov is a good fighter, don't get me wrong, but he is not as good as you think he is.
    Miocic is far better than him.
     
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    hey stick to tuff
     
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    Cro cop was not 200 lbs in pride. He was always between 220 to 228. Never was he close to 200lbs.

    And so what if he was a bit smaller. Cro cop was extremely strong and outmuscled most larger heavyweights in his prime. In a pure striking match, Mirko would embarrass Francis and only a close minded simpleton would argue against that
     
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    In K-1 he was, in Pride he was between 210- 220.
    Watched every K1 and Pride fight, so you better believe me.
     
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    Yeah he was actually smaller in K-1 while fighting and KO'ing some of the guys that were the same size as Rico is now.
     
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    Kickboxing in the 90's had bigger or same guys as Rico! Semmy, Bjorn, Hoost height wise, Aerts height wise, Bernardo, Alexey, Lebanner who was much more physical than Rico and these guys all had much more KO power as well.
     
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    You mean Bob Sapp and Jan Nortje? Those are freak show fighters.
     
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    CroCop off course !!!??
     
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    I put the names of some of the guys I was referring to.. did you not see that?
     
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    He was never 210 lbs in pride. Show me

    He may have been 210 when he was a kid in the very early days of his kickboxing. Show me where he was 210 in pride, because I don’t believe it for a second
     
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    In what respects would you say that? I think Stipe is a better wrestler than Sergei without being a great one, boxing wise I think Sergei was the slicker of the two personally back then(obviously more a lumbering brawler now) and showed the sub game to roll with Nog and Werdum without ever being in danger, not to mention destroying Semmy.

    Whats changed is that the top guys today all have really obvious weaknesses to target, that's what Stipe's done recent making Werdum, Reem and JDS look poor. Against someone like Nog though there was no obvious weakness to target, good boxing and excellent grappling.
     
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    He is bigger, fitter and better everywhere, is that simple.
    Miocic is a 250 pounds tank with cardio for 5 rounds, properly trained, great solid boxing, solid wrestling and doesn't make mistakes.



    This fight is actually a good example of low level mma.
    The giant striker going for a guillotine from standing and losing the position like an idiot, the superior grappler getting reversed from the mount because the guy on bottom grabbed his wrists and rolled him, Gracie Jiu Jitsu lesson 1 stuff.
    You don't see mistakes like that anymore, fighters barely, very rarely do mistakes anymore.
    If you can't see that it's your limit.

    Using a combat sport analogy, it's like watching the blue belt IBJJF Wolds, every match is super exciting, ending 9-6 or something like that.
    In the black belts division most of the matches end by advantages or close results, like 2-2, the matches are less exciting, there is a lot of stalling and a complete novice could even think that the blue belts are better.
    But the black belts simply don't want to make mistakes because they know that if they give an inch to the opponent it could cost them the fight.
    And if you see the black belts going against the blue belts, the blue belts would get their as whooped.
     
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    My memory is that he was typically around 220-225lbs in Pride, against Wanderlei he was the latter with SIlva at 229lbs.
     
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