Ngannou might be the first A-level athlete in the UFC HW division, but he is not the first A-level

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  1. MyEnglishIsPeperoni

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    A level athletes with z level toughness
     
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    Randleman was an A-level athlete for sure.

    He also won an NCAA championship and did some stuff other NCAA HW's couldn't do, like this:
     
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    Kevin Randleman started as a HW you noob.
     
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    Yep. And The Monster could lend Ngannou half has athleticism and still leap over the top of him like a superhero.
     
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    You're acting like the guy is some ultra athletic 265lbs gymnast who can knock fools out.

    Ngannou is just a huge, strong dude with massive KO power, like many others before.
    Lets be honest, he doesn't even throw clean punches. Not that he has to, though, as his power takes care of that gap. Still, all I see in the guy is another Shane Carwin, Todd Duffee, Cheick Kongo.
     
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    Strange, I thought Randleman was the UFC HW champ. So how exactly is Francis the first A level HW, when, by your own admission, Randleman was?
     
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    Cheick Lingo, lol
     
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    Haha goddamn auto correct
     
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    Soccer is laughable. Billions of people with no money no nutrition and no facilities. American football has the best athletes. It isn't close. Ronaldo can suck Dante halls cock
     
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    partly true, but if it were suddenly say ping pong that was the worlds most popular highest paid sport, would we say they are A level athletes?

    or are we eventually defining athleticism by the ability to be good at said sport. I'm thinking there is some objective measure like performance in track and field or whatever which truthfully hasn't been clearly defined here. That said the physique of a decathlete isn't too dissimilar from that of some footballer and certainly isn't overmuscled.

    People think I'm pro-american sports it couldn't be further from the truth, a lower size and athletic requirement can actually make the sport more competitive. You would just have to have a finer appreciation of skill and value the brain over body to accept it.
     
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    American ignorance is one of the most entertaining things on Sherdog. I usually don't believe our government's propaganda, but they are spot on in this case.
     
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    Because TS is a dumb troll, in all likelihood.
     
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    UFC a level athlete is an oxymoron

    If an athlete isn’t in nfl/nba making millions, then they can’t be a level
     
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    This has nothing to do with what sport is the most popular. Fact is fact the top athletes in most countries play soccer all around the world, just a fact. They just don't look like football players. Very good chance Nganno played soccer as a child.

    May want to define high level athlete before having a discussion about it. Because the UFC has many crazy athletic guys who are professional athletes at the highest level and have become champions, top contenders at there weight and yet we still don't consider them high level athletes. Why because they don't run a crazy 40 yard dash! Or are not built like body builders or don't wear a helmet.

    Some of these fighters can literally do crazy flips, jumps and are quick with there feet and hands that no football player could do. Some have won world championships in there primary martial art, but because it isn't a primary sport, they are looked at as less of an athlete.
    They have all the same attributes, quick, agile, crazy hand eye coordination, power, there footwork and ability to combine boxing and wrestling is as tough as any other sport.

    Most professional athletes in other sports wouldn't make it in MMA period! For many reasons other than there size. But most MMA guys have no shot simply because they are too small, that literally disqualifies them right off the bat, not there athletic ability.
     
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    the term A-level athlete is tossed around here a bit callously. when i hear the term A-level, i think of olympic level athletes...romero, cejudo spring to mind amongst current ufc fighters.

    shit. even ronda was also an olympic athlete at one point.
     
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    Why are they all black? Only black people can be A level athletes now?
     
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    Lmao. Yeah a USA only sport has the best athletes... ignorance is bliss.

    <{anton}>
     
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    You'll find just about every top level and professional coach in just about every sport says mental skill is the single most important element of a champion (though of course you need good attributes in every aspect of mental, coordination, muscle etc), so it'd be odd not to include it.

    Otherwise we're basically saying those coaches, being paid millions a year and many with several championship rings, don't know what they're talking about. For instance Phil Jackson (most NBA championships as a coach) has emphasized mental toughness as the key element he looks for in a player, and works on developing in them. Do you think he's wrong about that?

    Moreover, mental skill is based on neurons, how they're wired together. And neurons are physical - its artificial (to say the least) to say muscles are a physical attribute while neurons aren't; no physiologist would agree with that.

    The other problem is that every sport looks for different physical attributes. In some sports conditioning is key, in others short bursts of speed, in others hand-eye coordination and so on. There simply isn't a single set of attributes which is best for all sports ... with the single exception of mental toughness. Its always key, so it'd be a very odd one to not include in athletic capability.
     
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    You can't separate skill from coordination and timing, which are based on your neurons and how they're wired together - the ability to perform high level skills against high level opponents is athletically very remarkable. The ability to do so under extreme pressure even moreso. Which is why professional coaches in just about every sport say the single most important element is mental, and the second most is coordination and timing.

    If anyone could learn every skill at the same level (ie if there was nothing remarkable about high levels of skill) then everyone one of us could bat .350 in MLB, or be an Olympic gold medal winner in half a dozen skill based sports. For that matter, we could all do physics at the level of Einstein, since that's just another skill.

    The ability to learn and perform high level skills in high level competition is the key element in being athletic in most sports. Just about any high level coach will tell you that; only Sherdog thinks skill and mental aspects are unimportant.
     

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