NFL bans kneeling for anthem in 2018 season

So workers can still kneel and owners have to pay the cost -- seems like a socialist win.
 
Fawlty said:
The anthem is politics.
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I don't agree it's inherently political, but I'd concede that forcing someone to behave a certain way during the anthem is. But I think you have to account for the fact that they're entertainers and can be held to different standards because of that. I don't have a problem with entertainers being told how to perform.
 
Shoemaker said:
I don't agree it's inherently political, but I'd concede that forcing someone to behave a certain way during the anthem is. But I think you have to account for the fact that they're entertainers and can be held to different standards because of that. I don't have a problem with entertainers being told how to perform.
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That's ultimately up to the entertainers if we're going that route.

This whole thing is actually about calling today's black man to heel anyway.
 
Fawlty said:
That's ultimately up to the entertainers if we're going that route.
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How so? Part of their duties is to entertain the crowd by standing still. Pretty dumb to be entertained by that but I'm not the Earl of Enjoyment.
 
Jack V Savage said:
Sure, you don't have a Constitutional guarantee that your speech will be protected against private attacks, but some of us believe that speech should be protected more than the Constitution protects it. Right-wingers often claim to agree, but they're exposed as being full of shit on it when the speech that needs defending isn't that of racists or Nazis.
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So how far would you protect "free speech" from private responses? I mean i agree with your overall premise that the left is generally more favorable of carte blanche free speech (except when its conservative thought) and the right (including myself) agrees with private entities protecting their realms with code of conduct -- but how much leeway do you think someone should have that supersede private entities conduct codes?
 
Trotsky said:
Yeah, except that's almost never the case. THAT involves the government, so it's a freedom of speech issue.

College students protesting and shutting out idiots like Richard Spencer and Ben Shapiro are not 1A issues. That is what is constantly mislabeled as "omg leftists hate free speech."
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Shitting down others speech is how Spencer stays relevant. Grouping Shapiro and him together is douchetastic btw. Is yelling black lives matter at Spencer the beast argument you’ve got against his opinions? Really? That’s it?
 
IngaVovchanchyn said:
Er, the UFC. Bellator. You're on a karate forum after all. Golf doesn't, if that is a sport.
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You know I did like how PRIDE would play the national anthem of fighters competing for a world title.
 
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JudoThrowFiasco said:
So how far would you protect "free speech" from private responses? I mean i agree with your overall premise that the left is generally more favorable of carte blanche free speech (except when its conservative thought) and the right (including myself) agrees with private entities protecting their realms with code of conduct -- but how much leeway do you think someone should have that supersede private entities conduct codes?
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That's a hard question to answer because there are going to be tricky cases. I am generally going to take the side of workers and free speech, unless it's something really obvious, though. I don't support going after regular people's jobs, preventing invited speakers from doing their thing, and I support workers being able to express political opinions as long as they're not making it hard for other workers to do their jobs. I also support people having the tact not to abuse their ability to speak freely. On this issue, what's annoying is the massive hypocrisy.
 
Shoemaker said:
How so? Part of their duties is to entertain the crowd by standing still. Pretty dumb to be entertained by that but I'm not the Earl of Enjoyment.
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They could just tell the league "no more football" if the owners want to treat them poorly. Their duty is to play football, because they are professional athletes. But if we're looking at them as entertainers, then let's give them entertainers' contracts too. They can have the best of both worlds, but the owners wouldn't like that. If they want a shuck and jive during the anthem, let's make them pay 50 grand a pop.
 
Jack V Savage said:
That's a hard question to answer because there are going to be tricky cases. I am generally going to take the side of workers and free speech, unless it's something really obvious, though. I don't support going after regular people's jobs, preventing invited speakers from doing their thing, and I support workers being able to express political opinions as long as they're not making it hard for other workers to do their jobs. I also support people having the tact not to abuse their ability to speak freely. On this issue, what's annoying is the massive hypocrisy.
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Alright, you're focusing it on workers, which i can respect and not a free for all to say fuck you to private entities. However, workers are not taking the brunt of anything in this case -- owners have to pay the fines, suspensions are not league mandated for kneeling and participation in the anthem is not mandatory. I do see potential for scrub players to take a ding, but starters and value players should be protected by owners pockets (shit, im sure it will just be added to the players per diem fund.

If revenue from advertisement, viewership and sales are in fact taking a hit on the league level from kneeling, shouldnt the league do something -- and since league revenue sharing directly affect players bottom line, shouldnt the PA ultimately be in favor of ensuring strong cash streams?
 
Fawlty said:
They could just tell the league "no more football" if the owners want to treat them poorly. Their duty is to play football, because they are professional athletes. But if we're looking at them as entertainers, then let's give them entertainers' contracts too. They can have the best of both worlds, but the owners wouldn't like that. If they want a shuck and jive during the anthem, let's make them pay 50 grand a pop.
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And that's the players prerogative. I don't see an issue with workers striking.

To the rest of your post: sure. Why shouldn't the players ask for more money during contract negotiations, if they feel they're entitled to it? Sounds reasonable to me.
 
Good. Do your protesting on your own time not while you are on the job.
 
The whole thing reeks of insecurity, owners marked themselves as straight bitches. Mind you, I can't remember the last time I actually watched the anthem of a sporting event when I didn't have money on it's length.
 
JudoThrowFiasco said:
Alright, you're focusing it on workers, which i can respect and not a free for all to say fuck you to private entities. However, workers are not taking the brunt of anything in this case -- owners have to pay the fines, suspensions are not league mandated for kneeling and participation in the anthem is not mandatory. I do see potential for scrub players to take a ding, but starters and value players should be protected by owners pockets (shit, im sure it will just be added to the players per diem fund.

If revenue from advertisement, viewership and sales are in fact taking a hit on the league level from kneeling, shouldnt the league do something -- and since league revenue sharing directly affect players bottom line, shouldnt the PA ultimately be in favor of ensuring strong cash streams?
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Money isn't the only concern. And the owners are fined in order to force them to address in-house (and I guess we're already seeing one owner stand up for players).
 
Queen B said:
I think it's time to #boycottnfl. This is getting ridiculous
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Do it. I already did late in the season before last. Refused free tickets last season. Twice. They won't get me back with this. I hope everybody stops watching. Fuck 'em.
 
The whole anthem thing is blatant jingoistic advertisement for the MIC, AMERICA F-YEAH!!!
 
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