Economy New study: Medicare for all to save 5.1 trillion dollars

KONG-D'SNT-TAP said:
The entire free world has figured this out but sadly in America we have fringe conservatives and ding bat libertarians holding us all back from any real progress.
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Have you seen this entire free world and the shape it's in
 
SBJJ said:
Have you seen this entire free world and the shape it's in
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I have
Its fantastic, my doctors visits cost me a grand total of.... $0 and prescription meds if I need it is like $10-$15 at most?

Also we rank higher than you on quality of life metric.. our internet is slower though :( can't win them all I guess
 
What I don't get is the right wing cries that Obama care or their shitty manual labor job health plan costs them 1200 a month but then cry that an additional 600 a month in taxes or whatever it may be is bullshit socialism when they would actually take home more money and have better Healthcare
 
MMAisGod said:
What if I'm not a right winger, don't like Obamacare, don't have bad have healthcare currently, and don't believe that the utopia of paying tiny fractions of a healthcare payment for the same level of quality I currently receive is realistic?

Nowhere in human history has it ever been "things are much better because middle and poor classes pay half of what they used to". Even after the economic collapse recorded record payments for CEOs and such while the regular man foots the bill. Why would I think now all of a sudden we've hit the turn and utopia is around the corner? Idealistic, desirable, but laughable to believe. I'd prefer they address the astronomical cost of certain areas of health insurance, rather than risk lowering the quality I personally receive chasing a dream.
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The costs are addressed by UHC, they are high due to your company paying private health care companies a shit ton and subsidizing it for you while the small business and Obama care folks get stuck paying a shit ton. If your company is good they will give you a raise comparable to what you would lose in taxes to UHC because their costs for Healthcare dissappear
 
JamesRussler said:
Here we go again. "Massive entitlement spending actually saves us money."

The statement that stands out:
"It’s the most robust, comprehensive study yet produced on Medicare for All, which has long been in need of easily citable research." Somebody wants to sell the public on Socialized medicine, and they needed "easily citable research" to do it. So they commissioned this report. We can trust that it will provide an honest assessment of what "Medicare for All" will really cost.
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Just b/c someone wanted to sell the public on an idea, doesn't mean it isn't accurate.

Could any study/research convicne you?
 
Greoric said:
Look dude, again. With honest to god respect, you have no clue what you're talking about. There's a beautiful symphony of market signals that go into organizing land labor and capital to come up with the prices that provide the real time relative scarcity of what you're asking and bidding for. Prices aren't just established by mandate. etc... etc... I was going write out this detailed post for you about the efficiency that decentralized market demonstrably provide, and how fucking horrible govts are at the same. ...Then I realized. You don't actually care. Deuces.
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That’s a whole lot of flowery BS you just posted here... lol
 
MMAisGod said:
What if I'm not a right winger, don't like Obamacare, don't have bad have healthcare currently, and don't believe that the utopia of paying tiny fractions of a healthcare payment for the same level of quality I currently receive is realistic?

Nowhere in human history has it ever been "things are much better because middle and poor classes pay half of what they used to". Even after the economic collapse recorded record payments for CEOs and such while the regular man foots the bill. Why would I think now all of a sudden we've hit the turn and utopia is around the corner? Idealistic, desirable, but laughable to believe. I'd prefer they address the astronomical cost of certain areas of health insurance, rather than risk lowering the quality I personally receive chasing a dream.
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"We estimate that, through implementation of Medicare for All, overall U.S. health care costs could fall by about 19 percent relative to the existing system.

The most significant sources of cost saving will be in the areas of:
1) administration (9.0 percent savings in total system costs);
2) pharmaceutical pricing (5.9 percent savings in system costs); and
3) establishing uniform Medicare rates for hospitals, physicians, and clinics (2.8 percent savings in system costs).

An additional, more modest source of cost savings, at least in the initial years under Medicare for All, would be to reduce the high levels of waste and fraud that currently prevail in service provision."

Here's a highlight of the cost saving in the study
 
oleDirtyBast4rd said:
So there is the problem. Explain how that is not redistribution of wealth to expect the rich to subsidize the poor. Then you have the gall to say it will save us money. Again I ask... who will it save money?
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It will save the country as a whole money. It will cost the very rich a bit extra. This is a good thing though as it is unhealthy to he super rich. They will still be rich- just not super rich.

Republic or not we will get this voted into law. It is what the majority wants.

Beauty is one of those things that is subjective. I think its beautiful to know there would not be a single child in the whole country without quality health care.
 
Regardless of cost, the right failed to come up with an answer.


So, when the inevitable socialized medical care arrives, ole Bob won’t be bitching (unless my taxes skyrocket, then I reserve the right to rabble!!!)
 
MMAisGod said:
Do you think this is what what would happen?
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Which part? Companies giving back? Yes, I'm sure pretty much every company that is already going above and beyond and doing the employees a favor by covering their healthcare costs would dish it back out to the employees if those costs vanished under a UHC system. The rest of the companies are already passing on the cost to their employees so there is really no difference there except for the small % of people with absolute top end plans at minimal cost which really don't exits because if their plan is low cost it's because the company is paying for some of it.
 
Greoric said:
How does a compulsory funded monopoly (that's government) allocate resources more efficiently than a decentralized market? Have you looked into that?
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Yeahm
skold said:
That's nice, except a separate study funded by Koch (heavy right wing bias) came to a very similar conclusion. So you don't have an argument

"Promotes human and ecological well being" - this is a left wing bias???

Right wingers are outing themselves as being anti human well being?
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Well, they mostly out themselves as having no empathy whatsoever, every day in the War Room. So yes.
 
SBJJ said:
There is NO way in hell the people yelling for this have had to deal with an elderly relative on Medicare. Yes, it's better than nothing but it's not something they themselves would want as opposed to private care
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That's pretty much the issue. The current system is really fantastic, as long as you can afford it. What about people who can't afford it? What about the working poor/lower middle class who are especially goat fucked by this system?

It is like a lot of American systems and institutions. If you're rich, or even reasonably well to do, you get treated better by the justice system, you get access to better healthcare (and don't fool yourself, this is about access to medical care, not whether it exists), and you have access to better schooling. And yeah, I know, that's the point of being rich, right?

Well, not if you care about society as a whole. There's a reason to help your fellow man beyond what it will gain for you.
 
nostradumbass said:
Now take out suicides and auto accidents and it's magically the highest. How's cancer survival and things that actually indicate level of healthcare?
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Yeah, I think I'm going to have to ask you for a source for that assertion, champ.
 
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