Netanyahu, Bolton, team neo-con were absolute failures on Iraq. It empowered Iran, and created ISIS

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    He’s Back: Muqtada Al-Sadr Wins Big In Iraqi Elections

    As the noose was placed around Saddam Hussein’s neck in December 2006, his masked guards yelled: “Muqtada! Muqtada! Muqtada!”

    As in Muqtada al-Sadr, the Shiite cleric who is best known as a one-time — and possibly future — U.S. foe who may have finally outfoxed the Americans, Iranians, and Iraq’s political elite to become the supreme political power in Iraq.

    • Sadr, whose forces fought U.S. troops in 2004, appears to be the big winner in Iraq’s parliamentary elections, according to media reports. Although he did not run for office, his coalition has received far more votes than current Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi’s political block, initial election results show.
    • That means it is entirely possible that Sadr could pick the next Iraqi government by deciding which political party to form a coalition with.
    • No word from Washington yet about what Sadr’s fortunes at the ballot box mean for the U.S. relationship with Iraq in the fight against ISIS. “We are awaiting the announcement of the official results and look forward to the formation of the new government,” a State Department official told Task & Purpose on Monday. “We aren’t going to get ahead of that.”
    • A Pentagon spokesman told Eric Pahon that the U.S. government does not support any particular Iraqi candidate or party. “We support a fair and transparent process,” he said. “We stand ready to work with whoever is fairly elected by the Iraqi people"
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/taskan...tada-al-sadr-wins-big-in-iraqi-elections/amp/


    The hidden hand behind the Islamic State militants? Saddam Hussein’s.

    By Liz Sly April 4, 2015 Email the author


    SANLIURFA, Turkey — When Abu Hamza, a former Syrian rebel, agreed to join the Islamic State, he did so assuming he would become a part of the group’s promised Islamist utopia, which has lured foreign jihadists from around the globe.

    Instead, he found himself being supervised by an Iraqi emir and receiving orders from shadowy Iraqis who moved in and out of the battlefield in Syria. When Abu Hamza disagreed with fellow commanders at an Islamic State meeting last year, he said, he was placed under arrest on the orders of a masked Iraqi man who had sat silently through the proceedings, listening and taking notes.

    Abu Hamza, who became the group’s ruler in a small community in Syria, never discovered the Iraqis’ real identities, which were cloaked by code names or simply not revealed. All of the men, however, were former Iraqi officers who had served under Saddam Hussein, including the masked man, who had once worked for an Iraqi intelligence agency and now belonged to the Islamic State’s own shadowy security service, he said.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6d7bf7949e7e


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    These are the same people beating the war drums for Iran.

    How could anyone trust or listen to these people?

    They are the architects of the largest foreign policy blunder in the history of this nation. These guys should be hiding out on a ranch like Bush, ashamed of their failure. Instead, they want to go for a sequel. From Iraq: The disaster, to Iran: the sequel to Iraq, and prequel to WWIII, AKA the real life Infinity Wars.

    Anyone who supports military action by the US against Iran, is not only incapable of learning from history, but is incapable of learning from recent events.

    Discuss......
     
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    3rd times the charm , or maybe the 5th....certainly no more a 7th .
     
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    Neo-cons made Shia to vote for Shia leader.

    It's a conspiracy!
     
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    Yep was dumb to do. No change was really possible, especially one worth it for the US.
    At the most should have told the Iraqi military that sadam and his children can't be in charge anymore . Sanctions would be lofted once they were gone. Military rule and stability and maybe a toned down version of the dictatorship would continue. But yeah it was a mistake and I knew it when it happened. Was a dumb war from the start. Still supported the troops though
     
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    We fought and lost guys to the Sadr army when I was in Iraq in 2004-2005. I returned to Iraq in 2006-2007 and was absolutely infuriated walking into an Iraqi Army base and seeing posters and pictures of him all over their walls.
     
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    Yeah, i can understand why that would bother you, but from the Iraqi perspective they are the only reason Iraq isn't currently referred to as the Islamic state.
     
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    I said it before and I’ll say it again
    Fuck Iraq
    Free the Kurds, move them here if you have to
     
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    no shit

    sad turn by Trump, very hillary-esque
     
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    They removed Hussein, which led to this.
     
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    The world really didn't become a better place after Saddam was removed. But it was not just the West that opposed him. After he invaded Kuwait, whole Arab League supported intervention. Before that, he was also in conflict with Iran. Only Israel had more enemies in the Muslim world than him. And in the end, his 'socialist and multicultural' regime that favored Sunnis, just got replaced with another regime that will favor Shia Muslims.
     
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    1. Iran will be gutted with sanctions meant to target civilians (ie., terrorism)
    2. A Western backed 'insurgency' will pop up
    3. Regime change
    4. Western military occupation
    5. Offer loans for all the infrastructure we destroyed in said occupation
    6. Private profit, military bases, and extra UN votes.
    7. Create more enemies who feel the need to protect themselves from us = more terrorists and insured long-term capital accumulation for the MIC!

    Things couldn't be looking better for Boeing, Bechtel, KBR, Halliburton, Raytheon, Northrop Gumman, etc etc etc.

    Socialize the costs and privatize the profits.
     
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    Interesting.

    But was Iraq a failure? What was the goal? It seems weird that we went into Iraq, one of the most secular regimes in the region, out of some sudden benevolence to gift them democracy. There are plenty of dictators and oppressed people all over the world. Why did we pick Iraq? What was the goal?

    ISIS has killed like 30 Americans in about 10 years. Meanwhile, they've killed thousands of Syrians and Iraqis, killed hundreds of French people, probably killed hundreds of Russians and Iranians.

    What have we lost? What did we gain? It seems like a net positive to the US (and her allies, Israel, Britain, Saudi, etc).

    Am I missing something? Has Isis really made the US suffer in ways I'm not seeing?
     
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    The Iraqi army in 2011 were salary-men who shat their pants and ran away when ISIS appeared on the scene. That's why the terrorists were able to take so much territory.

    It's the current Iraqi army who are the ones kicking ass, and they've had so much foreign intervention they entirely resemble US troops from about 10-15 years ago.

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    Obama pulling out of Iraq created is what did all of that....
     
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    It's the same army....
     
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    I know, but their combat effectiveness is night and day compared to how they were left after the US withdrawal in 2008-2011, and how they perform now under the guidance of foreign combat advisors.
     
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    ISIS never set foot in a Shiite militia controlled area.
     
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    Thanks Obama.
     
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