NBC-WSOF 3 year deal ends in 2017!!!!

lol NBCSN trying to air Bellator Pre-Lims

Sources have told TheMMAReport.com that NBC Sports Network recently reached out to Bellator MMA about broadcasting their preliminary cards for the upcoming tenth season and beyond. In previous Bellator MMA seasons, the preliminary cards have been streamed online at Spike.com.

The NBCSN ended up offering a multi-year deal to Bellator MMA that would pay the California based mixed martial arts organization a rights fee in the millions for the ability to broadcast the Bellator MMA preliminary cards.

However, the two sides were unable to come to an agreement. With the two sides being unable to make a deal, the Bellator MMA preliminary cards will continue to be streamed live on Spike.com for the upcoming tenth season, which will begin on February 28th
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/1/2...llator-prelim-deal-spike-viacom-wsof-mma-news
 
A lot of writing. I actually hired by a third-party onto a marketing group to handle assessment of assets and social-media penetration for a variety of promotions.

While I make zero secrets about my disdain for the illegal and unethical activities of WSOF-US, I have absolutely nothing against RFA/LFA. I'm speaking specifically from an analytic standpoint. KotC has strong analytics across 42 of the 50 states. They have a more active roster. RFA certainly has a direct line to the UFC, but their shows garner very little interest. They also rebuff the phrase "feeder league" oddly enough, since it's their entire identity.

There are no analytics in the world that can justify a comparison of KoTC and RFA/Legacy. RFA & Legacy have a decent tv deal on AXS TV which is now now improved going forward as they increase their numbers of shows in 2017; their news and results get written up on all the major MMA news sites routinely; their owners Ed Soares and Mick Maynard are power brokers in the MMA industry; many of their fighters come from or go on to the UFC and other major promotions; sportsbooks worldwide release betting lines for their main cards. KoTC in contrast has a tv deal on a channel that almost no one ever heard about and broadcasts weeks or months long tape delayed cards in standard definition; they feature mostly completely unknown fighters; MMA news sites rarely talk about KoTC cards because they're mostly a bunch of tiny shows in obscure venues with little significance. Do a search on this very forum Sherdog and see how many threads and discussions there are about RFA/Legacy cards compared to the extraordinarily infrequent mentions of KoTC.

KoTC certainly has its place in history and in the sport today for what it is. But I think I'm probably the only person worldwide who actually sets their DVR to record a season pass of King of The Cage cards on Monday at 11 AM on MavTV and enjoys it for what it is. No one else is talking about them. RFA and Legacy are an order of magnitude more important than KoTC in terms of mindshare. It's not even close.
 
There are no analytics in the world that can justify a comparison of KoTC and RFA/Legacy. RFA & Legacy have a decent tv deal on AXS TV which is now now improved going forward as they increase their numbers of shows in 2017; their news and results get written up on all the major MMA news sites routinely; their owners Ed Soares and Mick Maynard are power brokers in the MMA industry; many of their fighters come from or go on to the UFC and other major promotions; sportsbooks worldwide release betting lines for their main cards. KoTC in contrast has a tv deal on a channel that almost no one ever heard about and broadcasts weeks or months long tape delayed cards in standard definition; they feature mostly completely unknown fighters; MMA news sites rarely talk about KoTC cards because they're mostly a bunch of tiny shows in obscure venues with little significance. Do a search on this very forum Sherdog and see how many threads and discussions there are about RFA/Legacy cards compared to the extraordinarily infrequent mentions of KoTC.

KoTC certainly has its place in history and in the sport today for what it is. But I think I'm probably the only person worldwide who actually sets their DVR to record a season pass of King of The Cage cards on Monday at 11 AM on MavTV and enjoys it for what it is. No one else is talking about them. RFA and Legacy are an order of magnitude more important than KoTC in terms of mindshare. It's not even close.


I mean.... sweet analysis based on perception, fella. Here's the thing, and I mean this as computery as possible... you don't know what you're talking about. RFA a waning trajectory. That's why they had to merge. They also do not have the spread or consistency of KotC (and btw, I'm not here to defend KotC, but simply here to explain to you how you're speaking in ignorance). Do I think they are or will be in trouble? Heck no. Do I think you're making a lot of assumptions based on consumer perceptions? Hell yeah.

See, what you fail to remember is what you read on MMA News sites are paid for 70% of the time. So yeah, RFA grabbing some conversation. It's much like ONEFC, who pays heavily to look prominent while in reality they cancel shows more than any other large promotion.

It's not your fault, this industry is private companies who hide their numbers and make themselves whatever they want to. But what they cannot do his hide analytics if you're able to get in front of them and pour over the numbers. The reality is when you dive into numbers and work with these guys, you learn what they are. Less than 5% of them are consistently profitable. Less than 20% are operating at a sustainable loss. Injections are often what keep companies afloat. Individuals create wealth but the promotions themselves often are in the red.

Having your name in the papers is fine, but creating content to spread is the key to any profit-cultivation. KotC are a content-mill, often filled with more than half amateurs. They create marketing interest organically (regional-heroes system), and then packages and sells the content internationally. Their game is the content-driven, and not the character-driven. RFA has gone the other direction. They hope to cozy up to the big dogs. And that works to a point, except they have not learned how to create an identity behind it yet. They're hoping LFA merging will bolster them into the defacto "Triple-A" team.... but the fact they think they're the "NCAA" and not a "Triple-A Team" shows their very process of thought is flawed.

Don't assume because a company says they are something means they are something. There is a reason RFA and Legacy are merging. You should consider why that might be.
 
MilesAbove, the things you're talking about are almost completely irrelevant. Consumer perceptions are the only thing that matter in this discussion to most fans. People generally don't care about the behind the scenes machinations, business strategy, gross or net profitability or long term financial success of MMA promotions other than for mere curiosity. You're posting on the most trafficked MMA web site in the forum specifically created for discussion of non-UFC mixed martial arts and you might be the first person in months to even mention King of the Cage. Doesn't that tell you something?

Almost no one can watch them on tv and almost no one that can watch them on tv actually does watch them on tv. They're as close to being a non-entity and not on tv as you can get while technically still being an entity and on some version of tv. Not trying to badmouth KoTC because I'm probably one of a handfull (literally a handfull) of people who sets his DVR to record their tape delayed shows at 11 am on Monday mornings, but pretty much no one cares. RFA/LFC gets a fair amount of viewers on tv, has a lot of good veteran and up and coming fighters competing for them and are actually a show that gets anticipated, watched and talked about by fans of the sport. This simply isn't debatable as it's completely self evident to anyone with eyes.
 
MilesAbove, the things you're talking about are almost completely irrelevant. Consumer perceptions are the only thing that matter in this discussion to most fans. People generally don't care about the behind the scenes machinations, business strategy, gross or net profitability or long term financial success of MMA promotions other than for mere curiosity. You're posting on the most trafficked MMA web site in the forum specifically created for discussion of non-UFC mixed martial arts and you might be the first person in months to even mention King of the Cage. Doesn't that tell you something?

Almost no one can watch them on tv and almost no one that can watch them on tv actually does watch them on tv. They're as close to being a non-entity and not on tv as you can get while technically still being an entity and on some version of tv. Not trying to badmouth KoTC because I'm probably one of a handfull (literally a handfull) of people who sets his DVR to record their tape delayed shows at 11 am on Monday mornings, but pretty much no one cares. RFA/LFC gets a fair amount of viewers on tv, has a lot of good veteran and up and coming fighters competing for them and are actually a show that gets anticipated, watched and talked about by fans of the sport. This simply isn't debatable as it's completely self evident to anyone with eyes.

I got news for ya, bud... regardless of your feelings about what you know; you're hindered by what you actually know. Again, if you would take a moment, consider the merger. Were the last two times we saw them? WEC and Strikeforce to UFC: now why'd they do that?

Sorry you are having a hard time with this. And quite frankly I'm inclined to believe this merger will work well for RFA. But that won't negate the fact you literally don't know what you're talking about. Essentially you would have been on the side of Pride as it was falling..... ridiculing DEEP/Pancrase for not getting more news. But who has stayed in business??
 
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A lot of writing. I actually hired by a third-party onto a marketing group to handle assessment of assets and social-media penetration for a variety of promotions.

While I make zero secrets about my disdain for the illegal and unethical activities of WSOF-US, I have absolutely nothing against RFA/LFA. I'm speaking specifically from an analytic standpoint. KotC has strong analytics across 42 of the 50 states. They have a more active roster. RFA certainly has a direct line to the UFC, but their shows garner very little interest. They also rebuff the phrase "feeder league" oddly enough, since it's their entire identity.

Doesn't KOTC still sell out there name to promoters around North America??? I know they where still doing this last year. That to me would seem why data shows they score high in 42 of 50 states. I know here in Wisconsin a few of the promoters have used the KOTC name to hold shows at few different Casinos a couple times a year. So the name KOTC probably actually has more value than the actual org itself(it if you could split the two).

There isn't any doubt that RFA/Legacy has more talent across the board than KOTC and has for awhile now.

What exactly is the WSOF-GC been up to lately???
 
Doesn't KOTC still sell out there name to promoters around North America??? I know they where still doing this last year. That to me would seem why data shows they score high in 42 of 50 states. I know here in Wisconsin a few of the promoters have used the KOTC name to hold shows at few different Casinos a couple times a year. So the name KOTC probably actually has more value than the actual org itself(it if you could split the two).

There isn't any doubt that RFA/Legacy has more talent across the board than KOTC and has for awhile now.

What exactly is the WSOF-GC been up to lately???


GC is gearing up for 2017. There's the DEEP/GC show Dec 17. Then there's a focus on building the 18 affiliates over the next 12 months. Likely to be some Press Releases out at the start of next year that'll create a more clear vision. Also, the DEEP library should finally freaking get here after 4 months of those fellas dragging their feet. Gonna be a fun month for the Media Manager to have to have to upload all of them from he 50ish hard-drives, LOL.

Regarding RFA. There's never a doubt that RFA uses some name power, but here's the point: They are doing worse across the board on revenue and overall notice/attention across North America. Not their fault that KotC has 20ish years of material they can package and sell to different markets. But bottom line is KotC went the DEEP/Pancrase route, while RFA went a different way. Their numbers were dropping over the last 2 years and they needed to merge. I think it can work well for them. Although there is no assurance the WME crew will see them as an asset or not. At the end of the day, RFA has as much name power to casual fans as KotC does. Their market is the hardcore fans. But as stated before, they operate under a delusion of "NCAA of MMA" and that's simply not the case. To know where you can go, you have to know who you are.
 
See, what you fail to remember is what you read on MMA News sites are paid for 70% of the time. So yeah, RFA grabbing some conversation. It's much like ONEFC, who pays heavily to look prominent while in reality they cancel shows more than any other large promotion.

It's not your fault, this industry is private companies who hide their numbers and make themselves whatever they want to. But what they cannot do his hide analytics if you're able to get in front of them and pour over the numbers. The reality is when you dive into numbers and work with these guys, you learn what they are. Less than 5% of them are consistently profitable. Less than 20% are operating at a sustainable loss. Injections are often what keep companies afloat. Individuals create wealth but the promotions themselves often are in the red. .

I would love to be a fly on the wall of accounting meetings for ONE.
 
I would love to be a fly on the wall of accounting meetings for ONE.
You and me both. They love to bluster. And to be fair they have a pretty damn good product. But smoke and mirrors is all a part of MMA. That's why I don't make too many friends at the promotional level. I'm a slave to numbers and analtyic feedback. Not appreciated in this industry. But those who do appreciate it are the guys you want to be aligned with anyway.
 
WSOF avg'd 953k on NBC which is their highest rating but really bad for their stacked card.

The show before was Premier League which did over 1 million, and the show right after WSOF avg'd 3.7 million.

If that isn't enough, the NBCSN WSOF card did 71k viewers.



 
i dont think NBC will continue the deal with WSOF

just depends on how long they can wait, merge and/or sell with Bellator now, or LFA later in the year

i see big things coming for LFA personally
 
WSOF avg'd 953k on NBC which is their highest rating but really bad for their stacked card.

The show before was Premier League which did over 1 million, and the show right after WSOF avg'd 3.7 million.

If that isn't enough, the NBCSN WSOF card did 71k viewers.




What would have been good numbers for that card then? The only North American orgs currently capable of that are the ufc and bellators done it like 3 times out of like 50 cards since cokers been there.
 
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@MIKERUSSELLMMA Assuming that figure is accurate, next WSOF-NBC deal should b approx 5 years & worth at least 28 mil (total not per year)
 
WSOF might be potentially done, or have found a big investor that changed their name.

Its one or the other, but I can probably bet they are done at NBC.





 
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Good to hear. They put on some really good events and they have the second best roster outside UFC in my opinion. I'd really like to see them work with Rizin though and Bellator. Could you imagine the fights that could be made. That was one reason why I wasn't too hurt that the org. might be folding, was because some of their fighters would go to other orgs. like UFC, Bellator, Rizin, EFN, KSW, M-1, Road, and the like.
 
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Wow, this is pretty big news! Can't wait to see the new product
 
What would have been good numbers for that card then? The only North American orgs currently capable of that are the ufc and bellators done it like 3 times out of like 50 cards since cokers been there.

I know nearly a mil sounds like a good number, but I'd argue that it's an abysmal number considering the card was on network tv. Bellator has pulled better numbers than those on cable tv. Tito vs chael just did 1.4m on spike tv. Had that fight been on network tv like cbs. I'd argue that they would have been closer to like 3m avg
 

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