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Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Thorgrim, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:44 AM.
Time is our most valuable asset. I wouldn't waste mine on that BS.
Carlson Gracie loved Wing Chun, had a huge respect for it and thought it would be a great complement to BJJ.
A friend of mine rolled with a kung fu guy. Choked him a few times without too much effort. Afterwards he said "he kept hitting my pressure points. It hurt, I had to choke him harder". That was the end of it.
Pressure points are painful in some situations but if you are toughened from jiu jitsu or grappling then the pain can be tolerated for the brief seconds they are able to put them on you.
Only Cheick Kongo is the absolute master of hitting THE pressure point.
Also, I'll add my own $.02. I started training striking (mainly boxing) with a guy who did wing chung for a few years and I will say....arm traps are a real thing. If I failed to retract my strikes quick enough or if I got greedy and threw a combo without moving, or getting him to cover up, he was good enough to "trap" an arm and throw a counter, or move me with it....So I guess against a static opponent, who does nothing but throw bolos, it might be effective.
I was just talking to my mom about it and how everyone on that side of the family are bullshitters, all his uncles and brothers have stories about fighting 5 guys at once and shit like that. He just doesn't know any better.
I think every family has relatives like that, my Uncle had all kinds of ridiculous stories, the funny thing was he would tell the same story the exact same way 30 years later. You would think he wouldn't be able to remember the same story twice. It was amusing though and I miss those stories now that he has passed.
I am not doubting the effectiveness of any art, I am sure there are Traditional Martial Arts that are effective. It has been my experience, that the most enthusiastic people, and the ones that want to show you everything are usually full of shit.
That reminded me of some kung fu dude that wanted to show me grappling is useless against dirty street fighting tactics. He tried to grab my balls when I took his back, so I had to choke him harder and he had to tap fast before he goes to sleep.
Maybe he was telling you the truth?
If he was telling me the truth than he had killed and beaten up more people than Charles Bronson.
seriously most guys i know who have done wing chun w/any sort of seriousness usually pick up grappling very well or transition lots of things from it to grappling
a poster on sherdog, one i trained striking w/ often used wing chun when working clinches or mid range strikings; saw him be very effective versus guys w/dutch kickboxing b/g, boxing b/g and muay thai b/g, using techniques which were CLEARLY wing chun techniques.
its more of a situational art, in those instances its very effective outside of that it requires other arts or skills to get it to the spots where its most effective.
There is a huge gap in the effectiveness of Wing Chun when practiced by a boxer vs. WC as practiced by the non-sparring masses. All the WC gurus would have you believe that all WC men are as effective as a boxer, but they aren't, because they don't. It is so different that I wouldn't even call it WC anymore. I'd call it JKD or MMA or or freestyle fighting or something.
i love bjj and all forms of grappling but for you to think that tma don't work means bjj don't work because it comes from a tma lol
and ehre we are 2017 not single video of real life wing chung application, not one.
The worlds best wing chun practitioners are Andre Ward and Floyd Mayweather.