Muhammad Ali vs. Mike Tyson

Who wins?

  • Muhammad Ali

  • Mike Tyson

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Ali would outbox him 7 times out of 10 most likely.


BUT.

Ali was susceptible to a left hook. He was hurt by them multiple times in his career. Tyson had a pretty wicked left hook. Honestly, I think the Clay who fought Henry Cooper would have got ruined by the best Tyson. Ali also liked to play around with opponents at times and Tyson had a different combo of power and speed than anyone Ali fought.

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Ali was badly hurt by that shot and thats from an unathletic tough guy who would probably be a cruiserweight today.

That's about right.
 
George Foreman was the Mike Tyson of the 1970s. He had plenty of first round knockouts, and was regarded as one of the hardest hitters of all time, and one of the most feared heavyweights of all time. Nobody picked Ali for that fight.
 
Ali beats Mike Tyson in a boring to some fans 15 round easy fight or knock out or DQ Tyson biting Ali or low blows Mike gets to frustrated with Ali"s trash talking and Tyson just can't get to Muhammad just like big Gorge couldn't get to Ali.

Ali was to fast and had very quick feet in the ring and this is all wrong for Mike.

Tyson would come at Ali bobbing and weaving trying to slip Muhammad"s jabs and right hands trying to get on the inside to land power punches.

Ali will be tearing Mike up with his hand speed, great jabs and right hands, laughing at Tyson then as soon as Mike gets inside Ali would just tie Mike up grabbing Tyson and holding him until the Ref brakes them up, then Ali would just start jabbing Tyson and landing right hands and body shots talking trash to Mike for 15 rounds and Tyson is going down or gets knocked out or Mike might just snaps and gets disqualified, for low blows or biting, book it.

Ali is to gifted and to much of a completed fighter and to smart for Tyson, Mike wouldn't have a prayer fighting The Greatest Ever and Ali had more Heart then most heavy weight fighters in history, Ali had a heart as big as Holyfields book it and everyone knows this we don't even have to discuss Ali"s massive Heart and will.

Tyson would be Ali"s next Gorge Foreman the victim of a to gifted and smarter boxer, making him look foolish just like he did to Gorge, because Tyson is to stupid of a fighter not to fall for Muhammad"s massive mind games and trash talking. Ali would have Tyson afraid of him big time and that's no lie, he did this to Sonny Listen then backed it up beating his ass and making him quit the fight.

Ali by knock out or 15 rounds or DQ Mike gets frustrated and gives up then bowes down to Ali after the fight praising the hell out of Muhammad, you know Tyson"s mentally he would do this i bet anyone 100 dollars Tyson kisses Ali"s ass after they fight, even Big Gorge Foreman did this, Gorge praised the hell out of Muhammad big time.

Muhammad Ali In His Prime - Blinding Speed
Tyson wouldn't touch Ali, it's not just that hand speed, look how quick his legs are dancing around talking trash this would drive Tyson crazy with anger.



Ali, a 200 pound man throwing nonstop power punches as fast as a middle weight fighter and dancing around with crazy stamina , in a 15 round fight.
Prime Muhammad Ali, was crazy good.




Prime Muhammad Ali makes Mike Tyson his bit~`ch during and after the fight, Tyson would be carrying Muhammad"s water bucket .
 
I knew someone was gonna bring that up. Mike knew exactly what he was doing when he started biting Evanders ear. He said Evander was leading with the head and butting on the way in and the ref was doing nothing about it. So he took measures into his own hands. He wasn't trying to get outta there, he was trying to send a message to Evander to stay away. Watch that fight, it was pretty even right up to that point. He had no reason to quit.
He was getting thumped and bit twice. Getting dqd is in no way ‘knowing what he is doing’. Maybe if it was one bite, at two you know you’re getting DQd. He also quit against the fat Irish guy. Looked lost against Lewis. Ran out of gas, output and answers against James Tillis, back when he was Cus D,Amatos kid still.
Amazing boxer, total bully mentality, ten cent head, built for sprints not for distance, great chin, but little desire to dig deep.
Potentially still beats Ali, though. It’s hard to not admit the potential of him icing anyone in the first five rounds.
Ali’s chin and movement likely help put the odds in his favour, and he would light Tyson up easily after five rounds.
 
That's about right.


We have seen plenty of times certain Boxers getting hit with certain punches, then we study these weaknesses and that same fighter takes the fight very serious and hardly ever gets hit with that punch.

Proof Floyd vs Pa,c left hand that left Zab Judah was hitting Floyd with and Chop Chop Corley, had So many boxing fans saying, Pac will stop or beat Floyd because of this. But Pac never even really hit Floyd that flush even with flurry punches, he did only one time in their fight and it got Floyd"s attention but that's all the damage Pac rarely did to Floyd.

Proof Kovalev vs Ward that right hand that Kovalev rarely landed in their first and didn't even land with full power in fight 2. Was the punch that many boxing fans were saying would Ko Ward in fight 1 and fight 2, it rarely even landed flush in both fights.

So i wouldn"t take Tyson landing that left hook on Muhammad with a gran of salt, Ali would be waiting for Tyson to try to land that punch and counter him so bad Mike would stop throwing it.

Smart fighters will take away your best punches and you will get frustrated, Floyd was a master at this and Ali did this to Gorge Foreman and others.

I wouldn't bet on Mike"s left hook at all, if I was a betting man, I wouldt put my money on the smarter more gifted proven fighter Muhammad Ali every time on winning this fight.

Muhammad Ali was no one hit wonder like Buster Douglas a incredibly lazy but extremely gifted fighter.

Muhammad was a proven world champion with a massive heart and conditioning with blazing hand speed incredible stamina and could dance in the ring all night and had great punching power.

I would never bet on Mike Tyson against Muhammad Ali, left hook or right hand. I can't take that bet.
 
Everyone talks Joe Frazier but Muhammad wasn't prime and had a long layoff and Joe had more heart with quicker feet then Tyson ever would have, these to men went 15 rounds 3times life or death with each other toe to toe, but prime Ali against Joe is a different fight. Muhammad would of had quicker feet being younger and wouldn't have had a long layoff Ali would of been sharper younger and prime if they faced each other before the Vietnam stuff. I just think that's a totally different first fight altogether .

I seem to remember Muhammad started suffering from his disease around the Joe Frazier fight or after.

With the evidence below we can all see and agree, that first fight with Frazier, Ali was not prime health wise and was starting to get sick with Parkinson’s. I think we can all agree to this, so that's not prime Muhammad Ali and that's why, if Muhammad fought Joe years earlier it's a totally a different fight altogether with Ali winning very easy. This is my opinion but i think i have very good evidence to prove me correct.

Ferdie Pacheco, the doctor working in Ali's corner at the time, said he saw signs of lasting brain damage after the Frazier fight in 1971. Pacheco said he told Ali to quit after that fight. Why didn't Ali listen? "There is no f------ cure to quick money," Pacheco said.

No one can say with certainty when brain damage begins to affect a person, although scientists have become much better in recent years at recognizing signs of trouble. When a person nears the age of 30, his brain tissue becomes progressively less elastic, making him more susceptible to permanent damage with each passing year and each passing shock to the skull. Boxers are especially susceptible. After all, the point of boxing is to concuss the opponent, to knock him down and out. If attempts were made to render boxing safe for boxers, it would likely mean the end of the sport. When Ali bounced back up after he was floored by Frazier's left hook, boxing fans and writers admired him for his grit. No one stepped in to offer a concussion test. The crowd cheered. The men in his corner urged him on.

The sport's long-term hazards have been studied since 1928, when an American doctor first used the term punch-drunk to describe fighters suffering cognitive dysfunctions, including memory loss, aggression, confusion, depression, slurred speech and, eventually, dementia. Today, punch-drunkenness is sometimes associated with chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), a progressive, degenerative brain disease believed to be caused by repetitive trauma. Scientists now understand that even small jolts to the brain, when repeated, can cause lasting damage. A boxer with a busy schedule probably takes more than a thousand shots to the head a year in bouts and thousands more while sparring.

Did Ali suffer for all those blows to the head? In all likelihood he did. Even as he entered what would later be described as the greatest phase of his career, there were signs of trouble, and they were noticeable every time Ali opened his mouth beginning around 1971.

The act of speaking is not as simple as it seems. Speech and language circuits in the brain work together to form a message, translate that message into movement across more than one hundred muscles from the lungs to the throat to the tongue and lips, and execute those intricate muscle movements to produce sound waves. That's why slurred speech is often one of the first indicators of moderate to severe neurological damage or disease. That's why drunks and stroke victims and victims of neurological disorders such as Parkinson's disease or Lou Gehrig's disease often slur their words.

In 1967, according to a study published this year by speech scientists at Arizona State University, Ali spoke at a rate of 4.07 syllables per second, which is close to average for healthy adults. By 1971 his rate of speech had fallen to 3.80 syllables per second, and it would continue sliding steadily, year by year, fight by fight, over the course of his career. An ordinary adult would see little or no decline in his speaking rate between the ages of 25 and 40, but Ali experienced a drop of more than 26% in that period. His ability to clearly articulate words also declined significantly.

The brash boxer was slowly being hushed, and not by the government or by his critics; he was doing it to himself.
https://www.si.com/boxing/2017/09/27/muhammad-ali-joe-frazier-jonathan-eig-book-excerpt
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Ali would come to call it his “trial”, a challenge to endure and overcome.

When the superstar began displaying the symptoms of the disease- such as slurred speech and slow body movement – during the late 1970s, it prompted wild speculation among a public not yet familiar with the reality of Parkinson’s.

This included the suggestion that Ali was battling deep-seated psychological problems or suffering the results of substance abuse.

Indeed his condition was not properly diagnosed as Parkinson’s until 1984, three years after he retired from the boxing ring.

It is now generally accepted that the disease – which attacks the nervous system and affects one in 500 people - was the result of Ali taking too many blows to the head, particularly in the final years of his career.

Following his four year ban from the sport for refusing to fight in Vietnam, Ali returned to the ring in 1970, having lost some of the speed and lightning reactions that had made him unbeatable during the Sixties.

In a dramatic change of tactics he adopted what he called the ‘rope a dope’ technique against George Foreman, in October 1974, and Joe Frazier the following year, in which he absorbed his opponents’ blows until the other fighter was too tired to respond to Ali’s counter-attack.

What followed only aggravated the neurological damage Ali had begun to suffer as a result of these brutal encounters.

In 1978, his speech already beginning to slur, Ali lost the heavyweight title to Leon Spinks, before regaining the championship from him seven months later - the first time anyone had won it on three separate occasions.

Two years later, at the age of 38, tempted back into the ring by money and his love of the crowd, he suffered a terrible beating at the hands of Larry Holmes, his former sparring partner. In 1981 he took another pummelling, losing on points to Trevor Berbick before finally retiring for good.

By now Ali’s physical deterioration was obvious. He suffered from permanent fatigue, his mouth drooled saliva and he developed a tremor in his hand.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-muhammad-alis-fight-with-parkinsons-disease/
 
He was getting thumped and bit twice. Getting dqd is in no way ‘knowing what he is doing’. Maybe if it was one bite, at two you know you’re getting DQd. He also quit against the fat Irish guy. Looked lost against Lewis. Ran out of gas, output and answers against James Tillis, back when he was Cus D,Amatos kid still.
Amazing boxer, total bully mentality, ten cent head, built for sprints not for distance, great chin, but little desire to dig deep.
Potentially still beats Ali, though. It’s hard to not admit the potential of him icing anyone in the first five rounds.
Ali’s chin and movement likely help put the odds in his favour, and he would light Tyson up easily after five rounds.


All Tyson did was dig deep. He took a beating from Lennox before going down. Holyfield basically was allowed to cheat in both fights. Boxing didn't want Tyson anymore because he had been convicted of rape. Had Tyson boxed Holyfield in 86, the headbutting would have been called to protect the gravy train.
 
All Tyson did was dig deep. He took a beating from Lennox before going down. Holyfield basically was allowed to cheat in both fights. Boxing didn't want Tyson anymore because he had been convicted of rape. Had Tyson boxed Holyfield in 86, the headbutting would have been called to protect the gravy train.

Don't believe boxing didn't want Mike Tyson he was bringing them Billions even after the rape case and jail time and 99% of the people didn't believe Tyson did it.

So that crap about not wanting Tyson is a joke.

Mike Tyson couldn't ever beat Lennox Lewis every time they fight, Lennox was just to good for Mike and if Mike came along being fully prime at the time Riddick Bowe and Lennox Lewis, Holyfield started their Championship runs Mike would have about a Zero chance of being champion and he would only be champion if Bowe and Lennox threw belts in the trash and they were all fighting each other in rematches, all three of those fighters give Tyson hell and beat him.

I am a massive Mike Tyson fan and even I can see Ali, Lennox and Bowe plus Evander, give Mike Tyson hell in their fights with him, it's just how it is.

Mike is just to limited size wise and technique wise to deal with truly gifted all-around complete boxers with massive size speed and power like himself and can destroy Tyson on the inside and outside.

Mike Tyson just can't handle Boxers that are way better then he is in every facet of the game and can match and beat his punching power. With massive height and reach on him, along with great chins. Against these fighters Mike doesn't have a real chance only a punchers chance but that even is a prayer against these fighters, because they all can take his power and give more back.

Ali beats Mike Tyson every-time they fight.
 
Ali beats Mike Tyson in a boring to some fans 15 round easy fight or knock out or DQ Tyson biting Ali or low blows Mike gets to frustrated with Ali"s trash talking and Tyson just can't get to Muhammad just like big Gorge couldn't get to Ali.

Ali was to fast and had very quick feet in the ring and this is all wrong for Mike.

Tyson would come at Ali bobbing and weaving trying to slip Muhammad"s jabs and right hands trying to get on the inside to land power punches.

Ali will be tearing Mike up with his hand speed, great jabs and right hands, laughing at Tyson then as soon as Mike gets inside Ali would just tie Mike up grabbing Tyson and holding him until the Ref brakes them up, then Ali would just start jabbing Tyson and landing right hands and body shots talking trash to Mike for 15 rounds and Tyson is going down or gets knocked out or Mike might just snaps and gets disqualified, for low blows or biting, book it.

Ali is to gifted and to much of a completed fighter and to smart for Tyson, Mike wouldn't have a prayer fighting The Greatest Ever and Ali had more Heart then most heavy weight fighters in history, Ali had a heart as big as Holyfields book it and everyone knows this we don't even have to discuss Ali"s massive Heart and will.

Tyson would be Ali"s next Gorge Foreman the victim of a to gifted and smarter boxer, making him look foolish just like he did to Gorge, because Tyson is to stupid of a fighter not to fall for Muhammad"s massive mind games and trash talking. Ali would have Tyson afraid of him big time and that's no lie, he did this to Sonny Listen then backed it up beating his ass and making him quit the fight.

Ali by knock out or 15 rounds or DQ Mike gets frustrated and gives up then bowes down to Ali after the fight praising the hell out of Muhammad, you know Tyson"s mentally he would do this i bet anyone 100 dollars Tyson kisses Ali"s ass after they fight, even Big Gorge Foreman did this, Gorge praised the hell out of Muhammad big time.

Muhammad Ali In His Prime - Blinding Speed
Tyson wouldn't touch Ali, it's not just that hand speed, look how quick his legs are dancing around talking trash this would drive Tyson crazy with anger.



Ali, a 200 pound man throwing nonstop power punches as fast as a middle weight fighter and dancing around with crazy stamina , in a 15 round fight.
Prime Muhammad Ali, was crazy good.




Prime Muhammad Ali makes Mike Tyson his bit~`ch during and after the fight, Tyson would be carrying Muhammad"s water bucket .

See, this stuff is getting into the mythical category. I never cared for that. When was Ali ever untouchable? The guy get dropped and almost stopped by Cooper but Tyson, better than Cooper in every tangible way can't touch him? Ali was in a lot of hard fights with guys who had none of Tysons physical gifts.
 
Don't believe boxing didn't want Mike Tyson he was bringing them Billions even after the rape case and jail time and 99% of the people didn't believe Tyson did it.

So that crap about not wanting Tyson is a joke.

Mike Tyson couldn't ever beat Lennox Lewis every time they fight, Lennox was just to good for Mike and if Mike came along being fully prime at the time Riddick Bowe and Lennox Lewis, Holyfield started their Championship runs Mike would have about a Zero chance of being champion and he would only be champion if Bowe and Lennox threw belts in the trash and they were all fighting each other in rematches, all three of those fighters give Tyson hell and beat him.

I am a massive Mike Tyson fan and even I can see Ali, Lennox and Bowe plus Evander, give Mike Tyson hell in their fights with him, it's just how it is.

Mike is just to limited size wise and technique wise to deal with truly gifted all-around complete boxers with massive size speed and power like himself and can destroy Tyson on the inside and outside.

Mike Tyson just can't handle Boxers that are way better then he is in every facet of the game and can match and beat his punching power. With massive height and reach on him, along with great chins. Against these fighters Mike doesn't have a real chance only a punchers chance but that even is a prayer against these fighters, because they all can take his power and give more back.

Ali beats Mike Tyson every-time they fight.

If Ken Norton can take Ali to the brink, so can Tyson.
Obviously, the version of Tyson that Lewis fought was anywhere near Tyson at his best. Its sort of absurd to say it wouldn't be a different fight. I agree with the poster you quoted, Tyson's heart is underrated. The guy was out of it against Douglas and still struggled mightily to beat the count. The first Holyfield fight was a war. He even had to show some balls late in his career against Botha. Tyson never quit, the guy had to be removed from his senses to stop fighting.
 
See, Ive heard that before from other people and I just dont see that. He is somewhat of a frontrunner in fhe way he starts out so fast and uses an intimidation factor so much, but I cant honestly put a finger on a situation where he's been challenged and whimpered away with his tail between his legs. Maybe Im looking at him with rose colored glasses. Please give me an example where he was mentally soft once challenged and quit or found a way outta there. Dude only has 6 losses, (3 to legendary guys and 1 to a legendary performance) . When has he quit and found a way out?.
you could always tell when mike was getting frustrated. he would throw the rule book out, even in his early fights.
 
See, this stuff is getting into the mythical category. I never cared for that. When was Ali ever untouchable? The guy get dropped and almost stopped by Cooper but Tyson, better than Cooper in every tangible way can't touch him? Ali was in a lot of hard fights with guys who had none of Tysons physical gifts.
tyson's best punch was ali's greatest weakness. it would have been interesting.
 
I knew someone was gonna bring that up. Mike knew exactly what he was doing when he started biting Evanders ear. He said Evander was leading with the head and butting on the way in and the ref was doing nothing about it. So he took measures into his own hands. He wasn't trying to get outta there, he was trying to send a message to Evander to stay away. Watch that fight, it was pretty even right up to that point. He had no reason to quit.
don't know about quitting. but when the going got tough, he got frustrated. tillis, bruno and halpin are three fights that come to mind.
 
If Ken Norton can take Ali to the brink, so can Tyson.
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This is stupid deductive logic that doesn't work in boxing. You might as well say "if Foreman can destroy Frazier and Norton, Ali has no chance!"
 
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