Muay Thai vs Kickboxing

Are kickboxers these days throwing low kicks though?
 
Are kickboxers these days throwing low kicks though?
Lots. Its actually one of the primary tactics. The low kick there is more karate-esque though. Lots of load up and almost 'crouched' as they deliver it. MT is more upright and 'tall'

Fundamental combinations are usually stuff like 1,2,3,kick or 1,kick, 3,2. Kick usually being the low one.

MT focuses much more on bodykicks and teeps rather than low kicks typically. Of course if a guy is known not to check, they'll throw more of those
 
Lots. Its actually one of the primary tactics. The low kick there is more karate-esque though. Lots of load up and almost 'crouched' as they deliver it. MT is more upright and 'tall'

Fundamental combinations are usually stuff like 1,2,3,kick or 1,kick, 3,2. Kick usually being the low one.

MT focuses much more on bodykicks and teeps rather than low kicks typically. Of course if a guy is known not to check, they'll throw more of those

What about conors low kicks in UFC They gotta be from his former Taekwondo instructor? It's not K1 and sure as hell not Muay Thai. Kinda non commital low kicks.
 
What about conors low kicks in UFC They gotta be from his former Taekwondo instructor? It's not K1 and sure as hell not Muay Thai. Kinda non commital low kicks.
Alot of conor's strikes are fluff and bs to set up his left straight
 
Alot of conor's strikes are fluff and bs to set up his left straight

Yes but he did spam low kicks on Diaz in the second fight. And they looked like TMA style low kicks. He also hurt his leg doing it. Probably did them wrong.
 
Yes but he did spam low kicks on Diaz in the second fight. And they looked like TMA style low kicks. He also hurt his leg doing it. Probably did them wrong.
Probably, but really Conor isn't a kickboxer. He does implement diversity in his strikes, but at the end he's more of a 'boxer'. Its MMA so striking is up for grabs. You have guys who have a lobg time base in a TMA which obviously influences their style significantly.

Now my replies have been in context of the thread and the poster I replied to. its pure striking related.

Modern Kickboxing is pretty much k1. You walk into a combat sport gym these days and that's what will be taught. Either MT or k1. Though in the west, MT is a mixed basket with the title being branding and really ends up being a mix of the two: Using Thai tactics with DKB technique
 
Probably, but really Conor isn't a kickboxer. He does implement diversity in his strikes, but at the end he's more of a 'boxer'. Its MMA so striking is up for grabs. You have guys who have a lobg time base in a TMA which obviously influences their style significantly.

Now my replies have been in context of the thread and the poster I replied to. its pure striking related.

Modern Kickboxing is pretty much k1. You walk into a combat sport gym these days and that's what will be taught. Either MT or k1. Though in the west, MT is a mixed basket with the title being branding and really ends up being a mix of the two: Using Thai tactics with DKB technique

That's why I asked since there seems to be a third way of throwing low kicks. I wouldn't call him a boxer either. A boxer doesn't gas after two rounds and lose half of his power. Cardio is so deeply ingrained in boxing culture. That Mayweather fight was so fucking meaningless.
 
That's why I asked since there seems to be a third way of throwing low kicks. I wouldn't call him a boxer either. A boxer doesn't gas after two rounds and lose half of his power. Cardio is so deeply ingrained in boxing culture. That Mayweather fight was so fucking meaningless.
To be fair those fights he went all out without pacing himself like he normally does. Doesn't matter how awesome your tank is, if you make every strike a kill strike you'll gas.
 
To be fair those fights he went all out without pacing himself like he normally does. Doesn't matter how awesome your tank is, if you make every strike a kill strike you'll gas.

Boxers can engage in slugfests for far more than 2 rounds. They recover and come back, with power. If they didn't, boxing would be a very boring and short sport to watch. Conor is nowhere that. Mayweather-Mcgregor was hardly a war those rounds and he still gassed.

Conor is a special dude that came for nowhere but he aint no boxer in my eyes. He is a master at mixing things from different arts, including boxing, and dominating the UFC. For this he has my respect. It's awesome what he has accomplished.
 
@j123 as you said the weight distribution on the legs is a lot more front leg heavy in "K-1 style" Kickboxing / "Dutch style" Kickboxing, and the combos rely a lot on punches and low kicks.

Those aspects mainly come from Kyokushin which the Dutch Kickboxing style was heavily influenced by.

In Kyokushin the stance is a lot more front leg heavy rather than back leg heavy like in Muay Thai, and the combos include a lot of low kicks to the inside and outside of the legs. An example of a typical basic combo in Kyokushin is for instance front hand punch + back hand punch + low kick (so for someone in orthodox stance: left punch + right punch + low kick). That combo is very common in K-1 rules Kickboxing too, Ernesto Hoost was a big user of that type of combo.
 
Modern Kickboxing is pretty much k1. You walk into a combat sport gym these days and that's what will be taught. Either MT or k1.

To an extent but you'd be surprised by the amount of "American style" Kickboxing gyms still around especially in the US and the UK, and they haven't completed disappeared from other countries either.
 
To an extent but you'd be surprised by the amount of "American style" Kickboxing gyms still around especially in the US and the UK, and they haven't completed disappeared from other countries either.
They'd be more part of karate/tkd gyms that's adding that option for more business right?
 
They'd be more part of karate/tkd gyms that's adding that option for more business right?

They just call themselves Kickboxing gyms. Here's an example of one that's around the corner of where I've I was living until yesterday: http://www.paragongym.co.uk/index.php

And other examples in London:
https://www.springhealth.co.uk/
http://www.kickboxing-london.co.uk/

Even here in Sweden where I now live I've been looking for some Muay Thai gyms and of course found some but I also came across that semi-contact style of above the waist Kickboxing.
 
They'd be more part of karate/tkd gyms that's adding that option for more business right?

No pure old school shiny pants style. WAKO instructors. They do drill low kicks on mitts.
 
They just call themselves Kickboxing gyms. Here's an example of one that's around the corner of where I've I was living until yesterday: http://www.paragongym.co.uk/index.php

And other examples in London:
https://www.springhealth.co.uk/
http://www.kickboxing-london.co.uk/

Even here in Sweden where I now live I've been looking for some Muay Thai gyms and of course found some but I also came across that semi-contact style of above the waist Kickboxing.
Guess its still alive in Europe.
 
@j123 as you said the weight distribution on the legs is a lot more front leg heavy in "K-1 style" Kickboxing / "Dutch style" Kickboxing, and the combos rely a lot on punches and low kicks.

Those aspects mainly come from Kyokushin which the Dutch Kickboxing style was heavily influenced by.

In Kyokushin the stance is a lot more front leg heavy rather than back leg heavy like in Muay Thai, and the combos include a lot of low kicks to the inside and outside of the legs. An example of a typical basic combo in Kyokushin is for instance front hand punch + back hand punch + low kick (so for someone in orthodox stance: left punch + right punch + low kick). That combo is very common in K-1 rules Kickboxing too, Ernesto Hoost was a big user of that type of combo.
Yeah from what I see its KK esque. When I didn't know and started, I thought it was a Thai thing, then I realized after awhile MT kicks very "accordian" like with rising up.

Some camps in MT are adopting it. Pornsane looks very dutch like.
 
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