Mayweather's Lead Cross, finally some vids on that

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    This vid above says that PBF has no power when throwing it because he is not doing the lower body motions at same time as his upper body. I am not too sure how correct that is. There is more than one way to put power isnt there? And I still believe it is more powerful than the standard jab.



    Now I believe this lead cross is under utilized in MMA. I see more jabs, because fighters are keeping their distance. To use lead cross, even PBF, you have to stand in the pocket. Now most MMA matches, the striking portion is always outside. Probably to avoid flurries. But in MMA, you are allowed to clinch and tie up the arms. That should shut down a superior striker's striking anyways, so the pocket should not be terrifying to be in.
     
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    Come on 86 views and no comments.
     
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    He under estimates two important things.

    First his lead right starts at the same position as his other 3 lead hits-the body jab, head jab and looping hook. If you watch Floyd carefully he does not telegraph any of these hits they look the same at starting position.

    Second Floyd is a master in tempo changes when hitting. His lead righ lands often in this awkward way because Floyd is changing the tempo of the hit. He may just explode snd land a quick and powerful right but he may aswell slow down the hit delivery in order to confuse his opponent and a half power right as demonstrated in the video.

    This is masterful boxing. He is indeed a minimalist yet so unpredictable due to masterfully crafting with the basics.
     
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    I wonder are there any up and coming fighters trying to emulate this style.
     
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    A lot of these shots in the video, they're off tempo one - twos. Not lead straights.
    Very doable by regular joes. You just have to be shown what it is he's actually doing.

    Actually watch the old time kronk fighters. They do the same thing but with more this world physical attributes. :)
    They'd also throw the lead right but follow up with a long 1-2
    Safer way of throwing the lead right.
    Or you crash into the guy after throwing the lead right a) with your head like Hopkins and Gerard McClellan. B) with timing by dipping n sliding like Mayweather. C) mix of the above like Ward

    Tony Thompson (ex Kronk) and Milton McCrory come to mind.
     
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    What isa Kronk fighter??
     
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    i will try it
     
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    Lead cross are two contradictory words. Its a lead straight. A cross is a rear hand counter.
     
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    I thought the terms were interchangeable. Why are they different?
     
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    mad squabbles is a dope name, i bet half the people dont even know what it means lol
     
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    The misty origins of the term came from countering a forward hand strait with a simultaneous rear hand strait, when done right your arm literally 'crosses' his arm in the air, hence the term 'cross counter'.

    Over time, it came to be used as simply a generic term for all straits thrown with the rear hand (with the folk etymology that you're punching 'across' your body).
     
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    My observation is that TH is throwing a cross (a hook) while Mayweather is throwing what is closer to a straight right hand. So, Hook vs. Straight? Of course, the jaw shaking from the cross (hook) has roughly twice more KD potential because of radial acc of the head vs. linear acc (from the straight).
     
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    McGregor is Floyd's copycat.
     
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    To clarify:

    If a punch's motion is not generated from the hips/legs, it does not have maximum power. Thus, we'd say it was "soft." Could be harder than most people's version of the same punch, but not AS hard as that person could throw it.

    There's many reason to throw a particular punch at a particular time that are not to destroy the opponent. When Floyd Mayweather Jr. throws a lead right hand, it's not typically to finish the opponent off. He does have a version of his right that IS generated from the hips and legs, that one is fare more damaging.
     
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    Does PBF ever lead with his most powerful version of the lead straight?
     
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    I have not seen too much of McGoat. I dont really follow MMA anymore. Does McGoat lead with his straight?
     
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    Can't say for certain.
     
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