Matt Riddle and the cost of training...

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  1. LamaIronFist Orange Belt

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    Though I did not expect him to be the GOAT, I always liked Matt Riddle. He started a bit limited but he improved his boxing and kicks quite a bit in recent times. On top, he was a game fighter and he liked to pump up the crowds. He seemed to be a great and funny dude to be around, always excited.

    As you know, he recently got injured and due to a lack of income he had to hang his gloves. Bellator's Worker's Compensation office was on strike or something like that... ;-)

    Not sure what he will do for a living.

    This leads me to some $ questions:

    What's a typical hourly rate an average boxing, BJJ trainer can charge to a guy like Riddle?

    Roughly, what do you think are the average monthly training costs for guys of Matt Brown, Riddle type of level?

    If you happened to have trained yourself or you had a buddy who trained pretty seriously, see if you can throw in a rough breakdown of what the general costs were:

    I know that guys like GSP who brings in all kind of dudes from Thailand with their cohort or dudes like Roger Gracie must pay some serious extra... but I am pretty sure it is not that cheap for guys with a 'bit' less money than GSP, guys like Mike Pierce, etc.

    Any way, all the best to Matt.
     
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  2. GuardGame Brown Belt

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    I'm actually curious about this too
     
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  3. the answer Black Belt

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    Didn't he make 167k last year?

    How on earth he couldn't pay bills and training?
     
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    Me too. I really have no clue when it comes to this type of thing
     
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    When you're a top tier fighter it's usually not so much per/hour, it comes out of your winnings / sponsors and so forth. Im sure some are different though.
     
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    Have you ever tried paying your bills and training... on weed?
     
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  7. the answer Black Belt

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    Impossible he spent that much on weed...
     
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    He gets a lot of his sparring in for free at home with his kids
     
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    There is no set amount. It is all individual and based on the relationship you have. Some fighters will negotiate better for themselves and others will give more to their trainers because they feel they truly deserve it for helping them become as good as they did or else because they did not negotiate well. When you want a set amount you won't find it. But there are many fighters who speak about what they pay out and it seems their total training expenses can range anywhere from 10 to over 50%.
     
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    That was last year though, after taxes, rent/mortgage, food, gas, electricity, car payments, gym fees, trainer fees, medical bills/health insurance, etc and now the fact that he's hurt and wasnt going to get to fight until next year it makes perfect sense to me how he couldn't afford to sit out that long. It's expensive to be a fighter who trains at the highest level, you don't have to be an accountant to figure that out.
     
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    The problem is you can't pass a drug test to save your life so the training doesn't matter.
     
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  12. Cotek Green Belt

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    Aside from varying fighter by fighter, it would probably change fight by fight also depending on how many people they bring in or if they travel a lot as some fighters don't stick to one camp.

    In terms of figures, Mendes said some of his partially completed camps cost around $6-10k
    http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/...-says-canceled-fights-cost-up-to-10k-per-camp
    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/6/27/4470436/tim-kennedy-rips-ufc-fighter-pay
    From his breakdown, excluding the money paid to his manager and medicals, 46% of his pay is spent on training.
     
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    Thank, but still....

    Is that Seth Baczynski in your av?
     
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  14. hansy Brown Belt

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    as others said, there are no "standard" fees per se. it depends on who you are and where you train and with whom.

    at your level, i would say tim kennedy gave some infos on how much it cost him:

     
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    Damn, this rapidly turned into a whining session about fighter pay.

    Lets be honest here about the training, who really thinks Matt Riddle is dropping $50K for a training camp? He's nowhere near top of the market, hell, he was barely able to get off the prelims. I'd be willing to bet his training, all in, was probably somewhere in the 20-25% of his purse... mind you, purse, not all-in net pay.
     
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  16. LamaIronFist Orange Belt

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    I like the one who said: "he can't blow 167K on all on weed" ;-)
    Well if your sparing partners are the Diaz brothers and your BJJ coach is Eddie Bravo... you need to allocate some serious money to keep the space train going during the training camp...

    That being said, it's amazing how little is left for a guy of Kennedy's level. The message is the same than in the music biz: get yourself a solid accountant from the get go when money starts trickling in.
     
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  17. derrrrp Blue Belt

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    you ever see the back of a dollar bill.... on weeeeed?
     
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    Seems to me like Weidman is just very bad at managing his money. Didn't he finance a 1,500 dollar dog while being homeless and bankrupt?

    There's been interviews with other fighters that praise the UFC for changing their lives. It's all about how you manage your money.
     
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    It's taboo to mention this. Here come the apologists with some "rationalization".
     
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  20. TFanatic Silver Belt

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    This right here. Look at how many NFL and NBA athletes go broke when they're done playing.
     
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