Matt Brown and Muay Thai Dump

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  1. Gymkata White Belt

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    Noob question, sorry. I always wonder this every time I watch a Matt Brown fight. His Muay Thai Dump seems so effective and effortless that I'm wondering why 1) all other fighters don't learn how to defend against it, and/or 2) all other fighters don't learn how to do it themselves. Any insight?
     
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    I think a lot of it has to do with the misconception in MMA circles that MT is striking + double collar tie. Guys like Brown recognize it as a hybrid system and train the full range of clinch grappling as much as they do the striking.
     
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    He really does make it look easy and effortless.
     
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    Thanks for responding SuperLuigi. I think Muay Thai is one of the few combat forms that haven't yet been fully integrated into MMA.
     
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    There's just very few people who understand and use the full Thai style of clinch work in MMA, so unless you train with one of those folks it's hard to learn how it works, how to use it, and how to defend against it. Which is strange to me since I've seen a fair number of UFC fighters doing training camps in Thailand or bringing in trainers from Thailand, so you'd think they'd be learning real Muay Thai as well as how to use the clinch.

    Matt Brown and Valentina Shevchenko are the only ones I can think of who use the full range of grips, striking, and grappling techniques in the clinch. Valentina is pretty easy to explain, but I'd like to know how Brown picked up his clinch techniques.
     
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    Overeem is good at sweeps too.

    If I recall correctly, Matt Brown just has a very good muay thai instructor thats a bit more old school and actually teaches muay thai
     
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    The problem is MMA guys go to Thailand then go train at westerner camps that basically teach the same shit they can learn here. It's just a vacation.

    Mighty Mouse has some nice clinch skills as well.
     
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    the clinch is what separates muay thai from kickboxing.

    Generally speaking, USA is lacking in the clinch, not many guys are very good at it here, and even less in MMA.

    Many of the things done in the clinch for MT will not work in MMA because of the takedowns.
     
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    What Matt Brown uses isn't the traditional thai plum clinch on the back of the head, its a hybrid of traditional thai clinch with dirty boxing from greco roman wrestling. A good example of the natural evolution of MMA, progress via adaptation and success.

     
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    "We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be."
     
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    That is true, but the traditional muay thai clinch is far more than the plum on the back of hte head, a lot of the techniques he uses are thai techniques. Of course he certainly knows how to wrestle too
     
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    Matt brown is a beast!
     
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    To answer your first question, I think fighters have already caught on to Browns vaunted terminator style. Brown has been working on his outside range stand up with Bang which imo is a mistake and moves away from what originally made him successful. His clinch set ups don't work so well against guys who naturally want to change levels on the hips. Brown struggles against takedown specialists like Hendricks and Maia when they simply change the plane away from where his thai style clinching. Once the clinch entries are nullified, he gets teed off pretty easily as seen in the Ellenberger and Cerrone fights.

    To your second question, I do think thai style clinching and sweeps are slowly finding their way into mma. Against Henry Cejudo, DJ off-balanced him with a nice little tip while Cejudo was throwing a knee, but against these fighters with strong amateur wrestling careers, it's very nuanced and hard to do on these guys. I do think there is a place for these cross kick catches to sweep the opponent into side guard. Henry Cejudo is working with a muay thai guy right now whose trying to implement that in his game. So it's nice to see a high level wrestler like Cejudo at the very least seeing its viability. Whether we'll see it used in a match is another story.
     
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    there is so few mma fighters that actually has a clan clinch. Even Anderson who everybody say has the greatest clinch in mma even does the rookie mistake of going forehead to forehead in the clinch lol.
     
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    the only people who demonstrate good muay thai clinch in mma are Matt Brown and Valentina Schevchenko.
     
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  16. Gammo2184 Kill'n Em

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    Brown actually shows good catches n clinch work. I remember his fight against Eric silva he showed some solid stuff. It also sticks out in my mind that joe rogan has never mentioned his muaythai technique so therefore perhaps we are all wrong
     
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