Mass incarceration of African Americans affects the racial achievement gap — report

[Goonerview]

But then again it does come down to the fact that it's racist which is why there isn't alot of Science on the topic in the first place.... Atleast to my knowledge. No one insists on scientific studies to prove these disparaties between blacks and everyone else because as I have heard it is looked down upon. Personally I have seen enough statistics to atleast warrant it, I don't give a fuck how racist it sounds. If it's racist to think this way and there is no way there is merit to it than what do we have to lose by at least inquiring and eliminating race as a factor once and for all instead of running away from the racist boogey man.

IQ test results.

 

[Goonerview]

Clinton would be considered centre/centre right in most advanced liberal democracies.

The red scare and rabid anti socialist mindset is alive and well in the USA.

8 years of Obama and Mr Selfie in Canada will do that.

 

[lifelessheap]

So even if you have a GREAT family, you probably won't get into crimes?



It's all good for him though, because he had parents at home.

Are you retarded? I said good parents but an emphasis on education, hard work AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

He didn't have good parents and you are making my point. I know that story and that kid had no direction in life from his parents. He had no rules and nobody watching over him. They gave that kid who was like 15 or 16 his own house to party in. That is literally the opposite of good parenting.

The last thing on their minds was teaching that shit burger personal responsibility.

 

[Goonerview]

Care to elaborate on that detail?

Care to elaborate on that detail?

Instead of pumping money and throwing at them. Let them sort themselves out, for example, the only reason why the population of Africans in Africa is exploding is because we are subsidizing it.

Studies show that free market Charter schools are way more successful than government funded inner city schools.

Throwing money at the problem makes black people more dependent on the state. It also is a waste of fucking money.

 

[moneyfight]

Well, then..
Give African-Americans reparations for being enslaved and see how many move back to Africa. It's the only way to be sure.

First you would have to give Europeans reparations for being enslaved by the Moors.

 

[Strychnine]

Are you retarded? I said good parents but an emphasis on education, hard work AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

He didn't have good parents and you are making my point. I know that story and that kid had no direction in life from his parents. He had no rules and nobody watching over him. They gave that kid who was like 15 or 16 his own house to party in. That is literally the opposite of good parenting.

The last thing on their minds was teaching that shit burger personal responsibility.

But he had a parental system at home with both parents. You're making my point. He did NOT come from a broken home. By your logic I should not be retired right now because I come from a one-parent family.

It was ultimately up to me to make good choices in my life. But I was not so naïve to think that there wasn't a system out there ready to devour me, if it CHOSE to do so.

 

[Strychnine]

First you would have to give Europeans reparations for being enslaved by the Moors.

Why not?

 

[moneyfight]

Instead of pumping money and throwing at them. Let them sort themselves out, for example, the only reason why the population of Africans in Africa is exploding is because we are subsidizing it.

Studies show that free market Charter schools are way more successful than government funded inner city schools.

Throwing money at the problem makes black people more dependent on the state. It also is a waste of fucking money.

I agree, but do you realize what "let them sort themselves out" really means and what the end result of that would be?

 

[lifelessheap]

But he had a parental system at home with both parents. You're making my point. He did NOT come from a broken home. By your logic I should not be retired right now because I come from a one-parent family.

It was ultimately up to me to make good choices in my life. But I was not so naïve to think that there wasn't a system out there ready to devour me, if it CHOSE to do so.

No, you do seem to be pretty retarded. I never said you needed a two parent home to be successful.

2 shit parents = shitty parenting

I said shitty parenting leads to poor behavior by children. Obviously this there are exceptions. Nobody is disputing that you donk.

Sorry you don't have a dad. Do you want a cookie?

 

[Pwent]

incarceration is the result of underlying problems, such as fatherlessness and a culture that glorifies crime

 

[ManCityFC9]

incarceration is the result of underlying problems, such as fatherlessness and a culture that glorifies crime

No need to summarize my 20+ posts in this thread in one line... show off

 

[Renard]

But he had a parental system at home with both parents. You're making my point. He did NOT come from a broken home. By your logic I should not be retired right now because I come from a one-parent family.

It was ultimately up to me to make good choices in my life. But I was not so naïve to think that there wasn't a system out there ready to devour me, if it CHOSE to do so.

On average, children of one-parent households do more poorly, there are studies on this. What you're doing is pointing to an individual instance (a sample size of 1) and generalizing that this one instance disproves the entire statistical pattern. That's bad logic.

 

[orangecuse]

How do you raise good children when your father is imprisoned for obscene lengths of time for every generation over the past 40 years?

Are you saying the traditional Male-Female two parent household and traditional family values have an important positive influence on a child's upbringing, a stable household and society in general?

 

[Strychnine]

No, you do seem to be pretty retarded. I never said you needed a two parent home to be successful.

2 shit parents = shitty parenting

I said shitty parenting leads to poor behavior by children. Obviously this there are exceptions. Nobody is disputing that you donk.

Sorry you don't have a dad. Do you want a cookie?

Thanks again for insulting me.

My mom and dad separated when I was around 12. I knew him and my 3 brothers and 3 sisters all are fruit of his loins. When he passed, my brother and I paid for his funeral. Our dad and us didn't always see eye to eye, but he was my dad and he deserved that at least and I got to eat dinner with him and tell him I loved him before he passed.

I gave you every chance to debate me like an adult yet you always resorted to insults. If you can't debate like an adult, (I'm 47 BTW), then we really don't need to reply. You can still insult me though, I want you to get rid of all the bile, false assumptions, and hatred you have. DUMP it at me. Because as long as you do...

Your chances of turning into this guy^ grow smaller.

Peace.

 

[ManCityFC9]

Instead of pumping money and throwing at them. Let them sort themselves out, for example, the only reason why the population of Africans in Africa is exploding is because we are subsidizing it.

Studies show that free market Charter schools are way more successful than government funded inner city schools.

Throwing money at the problem makes black people more dependent on the state. It also is a waste of fucking money.

Good point but I'd be more specific as to my questioning;

In the event of local, city funds to which AA residents have paid into and gov't officials are in charge of spending, would you use any of this money to address this issue in the AA community?
-If so how?
--We both agree that proliferating the welfare state and gov't dependency is a flawed strategy, but If you could help with local tax dollars (a much smaller budget, compared to fed & state funds) how would you spend, if at all?

 

[Strychnine]

On average, children of one-parent households do more poorly, there are studies on this. What you're doing is pointing to an individual instance (a sample size of 1) and generalizing that this one instance disproves the entire statistical pattern. That's bad logic.

The fact that it happened means that it could happen again and is probably not an isolated incident. The odds suggest that the others haven't been caught yet or they have been caught but it was kept on the down-low.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

You can't use that broad of a brush when there is a system in-place that is stacked against people of colour.


""I've been inside for 32 years, three months and 14 days. It's been that long," Wilson told CNN.
Wilson has been in prison all those years. He went in at age 30 convicted of murder and now at 62 he is a free man because evidence had come to light that the prosecution withheld in the case all those years ago. Superior Court Judge Laura Priver ruled Wilson had been deprived of his constitutional rights to a fair trial, vacating his conviction and ordering his immediate release. One day later Wilson was free."

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/17/us/wrongfully-convicted-man-free-after-32-years/index.html


But there's a bright side!!!

He may get $75 for his 30+ years of being wrongly imprisoned! MAGA!

"In October 1977 a Memphis woman was raped in her home by two intruders. She later identified one of them as her neighbor, Lawrence McKinney, who was 22 at the time. He was convicted on rape and burglary charges in 1978 and sentenced to 115 years in jail.

DNA evidence cleared him of the charges in 2008, and when he was released in 2009, the Tennessee Department of Corrections gave him a $75 check to restart his life."

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/21/us/tennessee-inmate-wrongly-imprisoned/index.html

If there is a system in place that is stacked against people of colour, you're not proving it. You might think you are, but then that would be an issue of you not understanding what proof is. All you're pointing to is single examples of prosecutor misconduct and false witness testimony

 

[panamaican]

you can mention history but it takes out of perspective key moments that makes this current situation "worse" than it was before
-50 years ago the civil rights act was just passed; it's tough to utilize data from that time or prior to in a discussion today
--AAs were not exactly living on a legal playing field, let alone socio-economically.
The reason why the numbers are so relevant today has been the lack of improvement in the family structure though, socio-economically, times have changed
-sure other races have been also joined the fray of single mother hood but the fact remains AAs are twice the number of caucasians.
--The rate of increase was higher for AAs until the 90s

I will agree and say the same causal factors apply to all the races but at 70% v. 35% difference I can not dismiss that as relevant to today's time, especially in terms of incarceration.
- I'd almost guarantee that a solid, male presence in a child's life would help lower statistical incarceration numbers of AAs, (as well as other things such as increased education, immersion into various hobbies and experiences)

It's not that simple but singlemotherhood is a factor
cheers

You misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not saying it's irrelevant. I'm saying that the concerns are overstated. You can't disregard the history. Claiming that we can't utilize the data from the past kinds of says that changes in any direction don't matter? But if you were measuring progress in any field, you'd have to be able to measure it against past performance and then put that performance in context.

Specific to the lack of improvement in family structure - there have been no improvements in family structure anywhere. Stating the lack of improvement is specific to the Black community would be inaccurate because of the lack of improvement everywhere. You might say the present percentages are very negative, which I would agree with. But then I would direct you to the graphs I presented in my previous post which show that the out of marriage birth rates per woman are dropping. That is an indication that the narrative is far more complex than is currently being discussed.

 

[Renard]

The fact that it happened means that it could happen again and is probably not an isolated incident. The odds suggest that the others haven't been caught yet or they have been caught but it was kept on the down-low.

There are outliers in every distribution. You don't seem to understand the concept of a pattern.

 

[Strychnine]

If there is a system in place that is stacked against people of colour, you're not proving it. You might think you are, but then that would be an issue of you not understanding what proof is. All you're pointing to is single examples of prosecutor misconduct and false witness testimony

Ok....
Slavery
Jim Crow
2/3rds of a person
Separate but equal
100 to 1 drug possession laws
Arrested for Marijuana possession and striped of your right to vote
Arrested for Marijuana possession and given 20+ years in prison
As more African-Americans gained civil rights the "War on Drugs" goes into overdrive
The C.I.A. selling drugs in the American Ghetto.

African-Americans are still dealing with the aftermath of these facts and will be for some time.

All aimed at the African-American community to incarcerate and destroy a section of the population. Don't believe me? Bing/Google it.