Luta livre fighter on the UFC?

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  1. SouthSide971

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    I know there uses to be some back in the days but how about now?IS there any fighter who train luta livre and not jjb?
    For those that dont know what it IS here is a quote from wikipédia

    Luta Livre, in its early days, was largely considered to be an art "for poor kids who could not afford a gi." due to appearances since they didn't fight with a gi. Luta Livre and BJJ were considered to be enemies. When Euclides Perreria beat Carlson Gracie in 1968, the rivalry was continued for a few more decades. It was actually very popular amongst kids from the favelas. Luta Livre focused on teaching the poor who were primarily of African descent.This was opposed to Brazilian Jiujitsu which was thought to focus on teaching of the upper class, who were primarily light skinned.The battles between the two arts was essentially a class warfare.By the 1980s, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu had become very popular in Brazil and Luta Livre representatives wanted to help popularize their art by accepting challenges from Brazilian jiu-jitsu champions in Vale Tudo and Submission matches. Luta Livre continued on with many famous fights in and out of the ring. This included a fight with Rickson Gracie on the beaches of Brazil.This would hurt Luta Livre's reputation with Hugo Duarte losing to Rickson Gracie then getting knocked out by Tank Abbott at UFC 17 and Eugenio Tadeu losing to Wallid Ismael due to his inability to re-enter the ring in time. Tadeu did battle Royler Gracie to a draw in an indoor fight. Another fight between Renzo Gracie and Eugenio Tadeu kept the rivalry going. His battle with Renzo Gracie in 1997 ended in a No Contest due to fans rioting. In 1991 Desafio hosted a Jiu-Jitsu vs Luta Livre card that had three representatives of Brazilian jiu-jitsu up against three representatives of Luta Livre, with BJJ winning all three fights.

    One fighter Marco Ruas, who would later become a UFC champ, had a huge rivalry with Rickson Gracie. A fight though never occurred between the two fighters.When MMA became popularized and after BJJ having such success against Luta Livre practitioners in the more popular MMA fights, more Luta Livre practitioners left their original camps and went instead to the Jiu-Jitsu camps hoping for success in a fighting career. Hugo, Johil De Oliveira, and Eugenio Tadeau are amongst the most notable representatives of that era for the Luta Livre style that was famous for opposing against Brazilian Jiu-jitsu in the Vale Tudo events held in Brazil. Despite their overall losses against Jiu-Jitsu, Luta Livre seems to be making a resurgence in mixed martial arts.

    Im asking this because luta livre is huge in Paris where i train but i never heard Of it before Moving here
     
  2. SouthSide971

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    Well i just checked and it look like Darren till is a purple belt,he dont look like one but hey woodley IS a High lvl wrestler and now a bjj blackbelt so who knows
     
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    There are Luta Livre gyms here in Liverpool, I sort of thought it was a discipline of striking thougg
     
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    jitz > luta livre<TheDonald>
     
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    Hugo Duarte’s crew was considered the original Luta Livre team.
    The idea was that they trained MMA, without a gi, and not under a pedigreed Gracie black belt.
    Yes, they were poor guys who couldn’t afford BJJ classes through the Gracies.

    Luta Livre translates to “free fighting”.
    It’s really a generic term.
    You could say a lot of modern fighters follow original Luta Livre training philosophy, adapted to modern MMA.
    Joe Lauzon would be a good example. Unranked in BJJ, but has trained striking and grappling to an advanced level.
     
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    request: someone put together a full record of BJJ vs luta livre records...wonder if the gi made the difference? or just a different approach to grappling? if it was BJJ that usually won...
     
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    The Gracies didn’t want to fuck with Marco Ruas. Could destroy their carefully cultivated image.
     
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    lucha libre ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ luta livre

    just learn bjj. systems are good.​
     
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    Not sure, but Aldo's early sub loss was to a luta livre guy. They have some cool differences from bjj, as it actually comes from catch wrestling rather than judo for bjj. Now days though all mma grappling has morphed into its own unique art in itself

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    Aldo got his black belt in Luta Livre back in 2014.
     
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    Its a myth.

    Btw 1940s and 1980s, BJJ was not that dominant in Brazil...

    Euclydes Pereira [Luta Livre/Karate/Boxe/Capoeira] & Ivan Gomes [Luta Livre/Judo]
    can be both considered the Gracies´ nemeses.

    Euclydes Pereira :

    - 6 fights with Waldemar Santana [adopted by the Gracies]:
    5 victories & 1 draw

    - 1 fight with Carlson Gracie :
    1 victory


    Ivan Gomes :

    - 1 fight with Waldemar Santana:
    1 victory

    - 1 fight with Carlson Gracie:
    1 draw


    Luta Livre dudes like Ivan Gomes and Euclydes Pereira were dominating them.

    This is part of the Gracies´ propaganda, and this wiki page must have been written by one of their nutthuggaz, the likes of @mkt here...

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    In 1988, Eugenio Tadeu challenged Royler behind closed doors, and it was a competiive bout,a draw...there was a weight difference, indeed.. I would say Eugenio was a lil bit more dominant...


    Then u have the original famous challenge Luta Livre vs BJJ 1984: (with a Gracie student Referee)

    Eugenio Tadeu destroyed Renan Pitanguy [BJJ]
    Inácio Aragão [BJJ] defeated Bruce Lucio (RNC)
    Draw btw Ruas and Pinduka [BJJ]... You can watch the fight and try to decide who won... Both claimed victory...(Pinduka said under Modern Rules, he would have won, while Ruas claimed that he inflicted more damage from the bottom)
    Marcelo Behring [BJJ] destroyed Flavio Molina (who was injured b4 the fight, knee)

    The 2nd challenge was more lopsided though, I agree ...

    Obs> the fight btw Eugenio and Wallid was controversial though:
    BJJ students at ringside didnt let Eugenio go back to the ring, according to Eugenio.(at that time, crowds were very pro-Gracies and even the ref was more often than not a GJJ student)
     
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    Well i suggest you edit the wiki page with some source ,all of this is interestinte if true
     
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    Darren Till was training Luta Livre in Brazil under Marcelo Brigadeiro (he cornered him against Cerrone). Marcelo used to coach at Kaobon in Liverpool.
     
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    I believe Aldo learnt from Roberto Leitao but I may be wrong.
     
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    Darren Till has been training Luta Livre.
     
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