Lots of Fedors "prime" boards recently. Ya all know he has had 100's of full contact fights right?

So after all that damage he received is it even possible he wasn't on steroids?

Dude has such a great career in fighting.
 
It's sad that Matt Mitrione can easily KO Fedor in under a round now.

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IloveTHIS said:
Good thread TS. The Fedor detractors NEVER mention this fact. Why? Well, I would be willing to bet at least 75% of Fedor haters dont even know what Sambo is.
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They don't know because not many people care about sambo outside of Soviet Union. For the most sambo events, there is nothing to be found about fights, only a list of medalists. If I organized fights in my backyard, it would have better media coverage than sambo championships.
 
Fedor is HW goat I will always be sad we never got to see him fight under the UFC banner
 
frye666 said:
Sambo is a full contact martial art. It sure as hell isn't karate point fighting.

Fedor was more active in martial arts than any other MMA star you can name. Crocop is also up there with boxing and kick boxing. And yeah, his prime died early too.

His dominance relied on speed and agility. That goes when your body gets beat up.

So please don't get confused again about why he "fell out of his prime" and make idiotic comparisons to other fighters because they are the same age or whatnot.
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Fedor is an amazing Martial Artist but it's difficult to attribute his losses only to being "past prime", because the reality is that in his 3 first losses he faced 3 of the best fighters he had faced until that point. Big Foot, for example, was the type of fighter Fedor wasn't used to dealing with. Most "giants" Fedor fought were very limited. Big Foot was a black belt in judo and BJJ and quite solid in terms of wrestling and striking. You add that to his size and you have a type of monster Fedor had never dealt with before. So it's quite hard to say what would have happened a few years earlier, since we've never seen him face someone like Big Foot.

Also, keep in mind Fedor still looked quite good after those losses. He still beat the crap out of a few low level MMA fighters and looked pretty strong and fast doing it. Certainly, not his absolute best, but lets not pretend the reason he lost had absolutely nothing to do with how good his opponents were. He looked hopeless against the fence in his fight against Henderson, but he didn't look hopeless when he went back to fight cans.

Martial arts experience is also something very difficult to assess. A guy like Wanferlei Silva, for example, has had hundreds of brutal gym wars in brazil. Are you qualified to say that, all things considered, he didn't actually take more punishment than Fedor? How can you evaluate how beat up Fedor was compared to other fighters? By the time he faced Hendo, Hendo's body was already super fucked of for several serious injuries and numerous fist wars. How can you be so sure that at that point Fedor had actually taken more damage than Hendo? You just have no way to know. You want to believe he did, but your beliefs really mean nothing in a discussion where only facts tell the truth. And you don't know the facts. Having a bunch of Sambo fights really doesn't mean you have taken that much damage. Plus, you gotta consider the quality of his opposition.
 
Shinobi said:
Fedor is an amazing Martial Artist but it's difficult to attribute his losses only to being "past prime", because the reality is that in his 3 first losses he faced 3 of the best fighters he had faced until that point. Big Foot, for example, was the type of fighter Fedor wasn't used to dealing with. Most "giants" Fedor fought were very limited. Big Foot was a black belt in judo and BJJ and quite solid in terms of wrestling and striking. You add that to his size and you have a type of monster Fedor had never dealt with before. So it's quite hard to say what would have happened a few years earlier, since we've never seen him face someone like Big Foot.

Also, keep in mind Fedor still looked quite good after those losses. He still beat the crap out of a few low level MMA fighters and looked pretty strong and fast doing it. Certainly, not his absolute best, but lets not pretend the reason he lost had absolutely nothing to do with how good his opponents were. He looked hopeless against the fence in his fight against Henderson, but he didn't look hopeless when he went back to fight cans.

Martial arts experience is also something very difficult to assess. A guy like Wanferlei Silva, for example, has had hundreds of brutal gym wars in brazil. Are you qualified to say that, all things considered, he didn't actually take more punishment than Fedor? How can you evaluate how beat up Fedor was compared to other fighters? By the time he faced Hendo, Hendo's body was already super fucked of for several serious injuries and numerous fist wars. How can you be so sure that at that point Fedor had actually taken more damage than Hendo? You just have no way to know. You want to believe he did, but your beliefs really mean nothing in a discussion where only facts tell the truth. And you don't know the facts. Having a bunch of Sambo fights really doesn't mean you have taken that much damage. Plus, you gotta consider the quality of his opposition.
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First serious post in this topic. The rest is just a pathetic Fedor-circlejerk interrupted by a few glimpses of the truth.
 
Fedor started to decline once he started to hang out with that old ass bearded monk dude, and traded hard training for being religious....
 
I don't think it was mileage that did him in. He became complacent and devolved technically.
 
Shinobi said:
Fedor is an amazing Martial Artist but it's difficult to attribute his losses only to being "past prime", because the reality is that in his 3 first losses he faced 3 of the best fighters he had faced until that point. Big Foot, for example, was the type of fighter Fedor wasn't used to dealing with. Most "giants" Fedor fought were very limited. Big Foot was a black belt in judo and BJJ and quite solid in terms of wrestling and striking. You add that to his size and you have a type of monster Fedor had never dealt with before. So it's quite hard to say what would have happened a few years earlier, since we've never seen him face someone like Big Foot.

Also, keep in mind Fedor still looked quite good after those losses. He still beat the crap out of a few low level MMA fighters and looked pretty strong and fast doing it. Certainly, not his absolute best, but lets not pretend the reason he lost had absolutely nothing to do with how good his opponents were. He looked hopeless against the fence in his fight against Henderson, but he didn't look hopeless when he went back to fight cans.

Martial arts experience is also something very difficult to assess. A guy like Wanferlei Silva, for example, has had hundreds of brutal gym wars in brazil. Are you qualified to say that, all things considered, he didn't actually take more punishment than Fedor? How can you evaluate how beat up Fedor was compared to other fighters? By the time he faced Hendo, Hendo's body was already super fucked of for several serious injuries and numerous fist wars. How can you be so sure that at that point Fedor had actually taken more damage than Hendo? You just have no way to know. You want to believe he did, but your beliefs really mean nothing in a discussion where only facts tell the truth. And you don't know the facts. Having a bunch of Sambo fights really doesn't mean you have taken that much damage. Plus, you gotta consider the quality of his opposition.
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You can insulate his performances and approach from the perceived quality of his opposition pretty quickly if you know what you're looking at. The former were clearly deteriorating well before he actually took his first L.
 
hugemmafan22 said:
They took him to the next level along with his wrestling background. Wrestling is huge. Fedor struggles not only because of his weak training camps and sloppy striking but also his piss poor wrestling. He couldn’t win a high school county meet.
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Yup, lets face it. You, me, and 90% of Sherdog posters could beat Fedor in MMA, and we'd also beat everyone he beat. We'd also beat him in sambo and judo too (he only got third in the Russian national judo champions, anyone could come off the street and do that). Because he's completely overrated - if he were any good he'd be posting on Sherdog.
 
I get what you're saying but bro, let it go and move on with life.
 
STRAWBOSS said:
i honestly would like to see a poll taken on the age of people who hate Fedor versus those who admire him. I think this is a generational issue and it will never be resolved.

but yeah Fedor GOAT.
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Some people must think partying and constantly acting like a fool on Instagram makes you a goat.
 
Shinobi said:
Fedor is an amazing Martial Artist but it's difficult to attribute his losses only to being "past prime", because the reality is that in his 3 first losses he faced 3 of the best fighters he had faced until that point. Big Foot, for example, was the type of fighter Fedor wasn't used to dealing with. Most "giants" Fedor fought were very limited. Big Foot was a black belt in judo and BJJ and quite solid in terms of wrestling and striking. You add that to his size and you have a type of monster Fedor had never dealt with before. So it's quite hard to say what would have happened a few years earlier, since we've never seen him face someone like Big Foot.

Also, keep in mind Fedor still looked quite good after those losses. He still beat the crap out of a few low level MMA fighters and looked pretty strong and fast doing it. Certainly, not his absolute best, but lets not pretend the reason he lost had absolutely nothing to do with how good his opponents were. He looked hopeless against the fence in his fight against Henderson, but he didn't look hopeless when he went back to fight cans.

Martial arts experience is also something very difficult to assess. A guy like Wanferlei Silva, for example, has had hundreds of brutal gym wars in brazil. Are you qualified to say that, all things considered, he didn't actually take more punishment than Fedor? How can you evaluate how beat up Fedor was compared to other fighters? By the time he faced Hendo, Hendo's body was already super fucked of for several serious injuries and numerous fist wars. How can you be so sure that at that point Fedor had actually taken more damage than Hendo? You just have no way to know. You want to believe he did, but your beliefs really mean nothing in a discussion where only facts tell the truth. And you don't know the facts. Having a bunch of Sambo fights really doesn't mean you have taken that much damage. Plus, you gotta consider the quality of his opposition.
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Fedor came into the sport in 2000 and won the world HW title in 2003. He defended that title in the biggest fight of his career in 2005. It shouldnt be hard to see that Fedor was in his prime in that moment. He lost his first fight in 2010 which was a decade after he entered the sport, 35 fights into his career and 5 years past his prime.

When a fighter is 5 years past their prime its really not that hard to attribute their losses to age unless youre retarded. Unless you want to suggest Fedor was still in his prime when he fought Hendo, Bigfoot and Werdum which is retarded.

Fedor lost to fighters who were in a better stride of their careers at the time of their fight when Fedor was on a major downslide. Werdum had just hit his stride. Hendo was juiced up on TRT and on one of the strongest runs in his career stopping top guys left and right. Bigfoot was juiced to the gills all while Fedor was in the worst shape of his career, full of injuries and the pictures don't lie. We all saw the side by side pic of Fedor in 2011 compared to him in 2003 and Ray Charles could tell you that the guy in 2011 was 5 years past his prime and more liable to lose due to his mileage and age than to the "superior" skills of Werdum and fucking Dan Henderson who not one Fedor hating, UFC geek would put their money on to beat Fedor in 2005.

Fedor won the HW belt in 2003 and won his next 18 straight fights until finally losing in 2010. You would literally have to be retarded to think that those losses had nothing to do with age.
 
I dont care people can argue and try to discredit Fedors wins,he only fought this or that,The most important thing is what he brought to the sport all around the world.
MMA is a growing sport but fighters like Fedor have inspired many many youngsters in places like Russia,Japan,korea,Europe and the states to take up the sport.
Hes the face of MMA all over Russia and central Asia,You can walk into any MMA,Sambo or Judo hall and there are pictures everywhere.
I laugh when i see people writing his accolades off as not relevant ,i mean unless you have done anything even remotely close in life then its probably best to keep quite.
 
Sooooooooooooooooooo... You're saying that Fedor's still in his prime?? Did no one notice how Fedor went from vicious, and intelligent, ground and pound fighter to flat footed brawler?
 
GOAT

Thanks TS, fun watch. Love when he leans over "hey, bud, you alright?" after he, looks like, snaps that guy's arm.

Sick takedowns.

Fedor is still number one in my book.
 
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