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Great? No. Greatest? Yes.
No.Yes.
Marion Jones was goat female sprinter, PEDs were detected and she lost all gold medals
The cyclist Armstrong , goat until he was caught, so yes, PEDs take away from greatness
In 2006 many top Italian football clubs were implicated in a match-fixing scandal.
All I ask is for people to be consistent, that is all
Nope but it probably helped you to train and be physically capable to do it more then others without it.Turinabol taught me spinning shit.
Yes it can,On the one hand it increases physical potential but you cant gain skill with peds, which is why there is only one Messi and Ronaldo for example.
None of the steroid era baseball players are getting into the baseball hall of fame, including some that never actually failed a drug test (Such as Barry bonds).In 2006 many top Italian football clubs were implicated in a match-fixing scandal.
Top teams such as Juventus, AC Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina were caught for match-fixing and were given punishments accordingly. The main punishment was that of Juventus being stripped of the 04/05 Serie A title and being deducted so many points that they "lost" the 05/06 title also. In reality, they won both league titles and finished top, but due to the retrospective punishments they did not receive those titles. AC Milan who finished in second place were also caught for this offence and therefore never received the titles. The 04/05 title was left as "unawarded" and the 05/06 title was handed to third place Inter Milan.
Now let's be honest, if the top two clubs in the history of Italian football were caught match-fixing in two different seasons, who would possibly rule out the chance of this happening prior or afterwards? Juventus and AC Milan are legendary clubs, with the most money available to buy top talent, as well as elite academies to create and foster new talent. If clubs with all these advantages can match-fix, what are the little clubs doing?
I say all that to say this - Jon Jones, Anderson Silva and many others are supposedly now eradicated from MMA history. Their legendary stoppage victories, their wars in the cage and their amazing resumes now mean diddly squat. Much like the Serie A, we now are forced to look down the league table and award the title of GOAT to someone in the 6th place spot? Someone like Demetrious Johnson perhaps?
There is a saying that you're not a cheater until you pop, but it's simply not that black/white. Georges St. Pierre has yet to compete under one full USADA testing period, Fedor Emelianenko has never completed a USADA test ever, there are undying rumors of Jose Aldo Jr. falsifying urine tests and accidentally spilling them. Who knows who is cheating and who isn't, and who are we to judge?
The sport of MMA was born out of steroid abusing athletes, and it flourished into the mainstream whilst being devoid of any extensive PED testing what so ever - steroids are a part of this sport.
Brian Cushing and David Erving are two examples of great defensive talents in the NFL, both have been caught on PEDs and both of them have had small slaps on the wrist, a few games banned here and a few games banned there. It's a combat sport and it's similar to MMA in terms of danger to the competitors, yet the punishments are worlds apart.
Juventus and AC Milan are not eliminated from the history of Italian and world football for one mistake, and that same rule should apply to MMA fighters. You could easily go down the route of saying that one match-fixing scandal calls their whole history into question, but you could also argue that each test is it's own and that past failures cannot continue to be held against the athlete if they served their time.
My whole point in summary is that I believe in serving your time and being given another chance, I also believe that the vast majority of athletes bend the rules so I do not believe in picking and choosing who I criticize. Are PED failures blemishes? Sure. But I don't think they should be the overpowering factor that disqualifies one's legitimacy for their entire career.
I also question the lengths we are willing to go to crown a definitive GOAT athlete. Are we truly willing to say that the 14th place competitor in the Tour de France was truly the winner? Are we going to claim that Inter Milan were truly the best team in Italy? Are we going to to claim that Demetrious Johnson is better than Jon Jones, Anderson Silva, Georges St. Pierre and Jose Aldo just because he fits the criteria a little more snug?
All I ask is for people to be consistent, that is all
All one has to do is look at how Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong are now viewed within sports and their accomplishments. Both men aren't held in such high regard any longer and both aren't even public figures any longer, since the steroid issues and resulting findings since. Yet, both men were at one time in their careers and after, considered two of the best, in sports in which they competed and dominated in.In 2006 many top Italian football clubs were implicated in a match-fixing scandal.
Top teams such as Juventus, AC Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina were caught for match-fixing and were given punishments accordingly. The main punishment was that of Juventus being stripped of the 04/05 Serie A title and being deducted so many points that they "lost" the 05/06 title also. In reality, they won both league titles and finished top, but due to the retrospective punishments they did not receive those titles. AC Milan who finished in second place were also caught for this offence and therefore never received the titles. The 04/05 title was left as "unawarded" and the 05/06 title was handed to third place Inter Milan.
Now let's be honest, if the top two clubs in the history of Italian football were caught match-fixing in two different seasons, who would possibly rule out the chance of this happening prior or afterwards? Juventus and AC Milan are legendary clubs, with the most money available to buy top talent, as well as elite academies to create and foster new talent. If clubs with all these advantages can match-fix, what are the little clubs doing?
I say all that to say this - Jon Jones, Anderson Silva and many others are supposedly now eradicated from MMA history. Their legendary stoppage victories, their wars in the cage and their amazing resumes now mean diddly squat. Much like the Serie A, we now are forced to look down the league table and award the title of GOAT to someone in the 6th place spot? Someone like Demetrious Johnson perhaps?
There is a saying that you're not a cheater until you pop, but it's simply not that black/white. Georges St. Pierre has yet to compete under one full USADA testing period, Fedor Emelianenko has never completed a USADA test ever, there are undying rumors of Jose Aldo Jr. falsifying urine tests and accidentally spilling them. Who knows who is cheating and who isn't, and who are we to judge?
The sport of MMA was born out of steroid abusing athletes, and it flourished into the mainstream whilst being devoid of any extensive PED testing what so ever - steroids are a part of this sport.
Brian Cushing and David Erving are two examples of great defensive talents in the NFL, both have been caught on PEDs and both of them have had small slaps on the wrist, a few games banned here and a few games banned there. It's a combat sport and it's similar to MMA in terms of danger to the competitors, yet the punishments are worlds apart.
Juventus and AC Milan are not eliminated from the history of Italian and world football for one mistake, and that same rule should apply to MMA fighters. You could easily go down the route of saying that one match-fixing scandal calls their whole history into question, but you could also argue that each test is it's own and that past failures cannot continue to be held against the athlete if they served their time.
My whole point in summary is that I believe in serving your time and being given another chance, I also believe that the vast majority of athletes bend the rules so I do not believe in picking and choosing who I criticize. Are PED failures blemishes? Sure. But I don't think they should be the overpowering factor that disqualifies one's legitimacy for their entire career.
I also question the lengths we are willing to go to crown a definitive GOAT athlete. Are we truly willing to say that the 14th place competitor in the Tour de France was truly the winner? Are we going to claim that Inter Milan were truly the best team in Italy? Are we going to to claim that Demetrious Johnson is better than Jon Jones, Anderson Silva, Georges St. Pierre and Jose Aldo just because he fits the criteria a little more snug?
All I ask is for people to be consistent, that is all
What about idiots who believe obvious cheaters are clean? Should they be shamed?Yes of course. Cheaters deserve to be shamed
What about idiots who believe obvious cheaters are clean? Should they be shamed?
But I want to ask you. I think you are irresistibly dumbAsk someone who cares what you think
But I want to ask you. I think you are irresistibly dumb
I’m not upset: you are. Also, he never cheated: what are you talking about????But I don't care what you are asking me as it's irrelevant to what I said.
Don't be upset because Anderson is a cheating bastard
I’m not upset: you are. Also, he never cheated: what are you talking about????