Looking at boxrec's top 100 all time

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Anybody looked at Boxrec's all time rankings? they're... interesting.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Archie Moore
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Muhammad Ali
7. Joe Louis
8. Julio Cesar Chavez
9. Sam Langford
10. Evander Holyfield
11. Roy Jones Jr
12. Harry Wills
13. Roberto Duran
14. Oscar De La Hoya
15. Harry Greb
16. Emile Griffith
17. Wladimir Klitschko
18. Azumah Nelson
19. Carlos Monzon
20. Tommy Ryan
21. Carlos Ortiz
22. Joe Gans
23. Jose Napoles
24. Mickey Walker
25. Marvin Hagler
26. Thomas Hearns
27. Tony Canzoneri
28. Benny Leonard
29. Juan Manuel Marquez
30. Jack Johnson
31. Ezzard Charles
32. Pernell Whitaker
33. Shane Mosley
34. Bob Fitzsimmons
35. Sugar Ray Leonard
36. Ricardo Lopez
37. Dick Tiger
38. Erik Morales
39. Jimmy McLarnin
40. Young Corbett III
41. Joe Calzaghe
42. Willie Pep
43. Floyd Patterson
44. Alexis Arguello
45. Larry Holmes
46. Henry Armstrong
47. Gene Tunney
48. Virgil Hill
49. Pascual Perez
50. Antonio Cervantes
51. Charles Kid McCoy
52. Terry Norris
53. Lennox Lewis
54. Marco Antonio Barrera
55. Jack Britton
56. Vicente Saldivar
57. Daniel Zaragoza
58. Felix Trinidad
59. Dave Shade
60. Battling Levinsky
61. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
62. Maxie Rosenbloom
63. Jackie Paterson
64. Joe Brown
65. Tommy Gibbons
66. Max Schmeling
67. Johnny Kilbane
68. Veeraphol Sahaprom
69. Harold Johnson
70. Bob Foster
71. Nicolino Locche
72. Mike Tyson
73. Jung-Koo Chang
74. Tommy Loughran
75. Wilfredo Gomez
76. Duilio Loi
77. Jean Sneyers
78. Joe Walcott
79. Eder Jofre
80. Terry McGovern
81. James Toney
82. Jorge Arce
83. Jimmy Wilde
84. Santos Benigno Laciar
85. Michael Nunn
86. Fighting Harada
87. Kostya Tszyu
88. Kid Williams
89. Ismael Laguna
90. Sergio Martinez
91. Aaron Pryor
92. Rocky Marciano
93. Antonio Tarver
94. Michael Spinks
95. Sandy Saddler
96. Humberto Gonzalez
97. Fidel LaBarba
98. Benny Lynch
99. Ray Famechon
100. Mike Gibbons
 
Yeah, their pound for pound rankings are bizarre too:

Lb for Lb
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1

Saul Alvarez Super Welterweight
2

Manny Pacquiao Welterweight
3

Terence Crawford Super Lightweight
4

Vasyl Lomachenko Super Featherweight
5

Gennady Golovkin Middleweight
6

Shinsuke Yamanaka Bantamweight
7

Andre Ward Light Heavyweight
8

Keith Thurman Welterweight
9

Sergey Kovalev Light Heavyweight
10

Leo Santa Cruz Featherweight
11

Carl Frampton Featherweight
12

Adonis Stevenson Light Heavyweight
13

Guillermo Rigondeaux Super Bantamweight
14

Miguel Berchelt Super Featherweight
15

Oleksandr Usyk Cruiserweight
16

Danny Garcia Welterweight
17

Gilberto Ramirez Super Middleweight
 
Doesn't BoxRec use some kind of point system to establish rankings?

If that's the case, there are pros and cons. It removes the emotional aspect of creating these lists (the nostalgia factor) but it also can over-simplify things. For example, there's no way Wlad should be ranked over Lennox Lewis.

But in general, some aspects of that list do not seem as crazy as some people may think. I think we tend to underrate modern fighters because we were actually here to watch them and do not experience the same sense of magical nostalgia.

If Floyd fought in the 1940s, and we had the tapes, a lot of people would say he's the greatest who ever lived. Imagine Floyd looking untouchable and knocking dudes out in black and white. It'd carry quite a bit of emotional weight over us watching him argue with Larry Merchant and be under constant criticism for the fights he takes, in real-time.

We weren't there in 1940's to wonder why SRR was fighting some bum in his next fight, instead of the guy we really wanted to see him fight, ya know?

Imagine Manny Pacquiao footage in black and white. Taking Hatton out in one punch, swarming other greats like Barrera, and moving up through 8 or 9 weight classes. Imagine the Pacquiao vs Cotto fight in grainy black and white. We'd probably have him in the top 5 fighters of all time too.
 
The BWAA and even to this day still The Ring are more credible sources/publications than BoxRec and its computerized points-based rankings. Their current divisional rankings aren't too bad though, at least in the divisions that I tend to follow the most.
 
In before @Seano freaks out about #5

Even worse for him, Loma is their P4P #4. The number comes first and then the name so it looks like Loma is ranked by them as #5 in how he copy & pasted the current P4P rankings. He's currently ESPN's P4P #3.



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Or did you mean Hopkins as BoxRec's All-Time #5?
 
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Their rankings are points-based, & therefore as useful as something from a Dungeons & Dragons game.

I mean, ranking fighters is basically Dungeons & Dragons for boxing fans, anyway, but points-based ranking is like another level of let's-pretend conjecturising make-believe.

Like, I dunno, LARP or something equally bizarre.
 
Even worse for him, Loma is their P4P #4. The number comes first and then the name so it looks like Loma is ranked by them as #5 in how he copy & pasted the current P4P rankings. He's currently ESPN's P4P #3.



Edit
Or did you mean Hopkins as BoxRec's All-Time #5?


I meant all time list...but Loma being ranked that high will piss him off too.

Seano might legit stop watching boxi g
 
I mentioned this about a year ago. BoxRec is in the business of making $. Not so far-fetched to buy a ranking - current Divisional, current P4P or All-Time.

 
I don't get how anyone justifies Hopkins being one of the 5 best fighters in history. Hell, Floyd at number 1 is pretty far off too.
 
Anybody looked at Boxrec's all time rankings? they're... interesting.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Archie Moore
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Muhammad Ali
7. Joe Louis
8. Julio Cesar Chavez
9. Sam Langford
10. Evander Holyfield
11. Roy Jones Jr
12. Harry Wills
13. Roberto Duran
14. Oscar De La Hoya
15. Harry Greb
16. Emile Griffith
17. Wladimir Klitschko
18. Azumah Nelson
19. Carlos Monzon
20. Tommy Ryan
21. Carlos Ortiz
22. Joe Gans
23. Jose Napoles
24. Mickey Walker
25. Marvin Hagler
26. Thomas Hearns
27. Tony Canzoneri
28. Benny Leonard
29. Juan Manuel Marquez
30. Jack Johnson
31. Ezzard Charles
32. Pernell Whitaker
33. Shane Mosley
34. Bob Fitzsimmons
35. Sugar Ray Leonard
36. Ricardo Lopez
37. Dick Tiger
38. Erik Morales
39. Jimmy McLarnin
40. Young Corbett III
41. Joe Calzaghe
42. Willie Pep
43. Floyd Patterson
44. Alexis Arguello
45. Larry Holmes
46. Henry Armstrong
47. Gene Tunney
48. Virgil Hill
49. Pascual Perez
50. Antonio Cervantes
51. Charles Kid McCoy
52. Terry Norris
53. Lennox Lewis
54. Marco Antonio Barrera
55. Jack Britton
56. Vicente Saldivar
57. Daniel Zaragoza
58. Felix Trinidad
59. Dave Shade
60. Battling Levinsky
61. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
62. Maxie Rosenbloom
63. Jackie Paterson
64. Joe Brown
65. Tommy Gibbons
66. Max Schmeling
67. Johnny Kilbane
68. Veeraphol Sahaprom
69. Harold Johnson
70. Bob Foster
71. Nicolino Locche
72. Mike Tyson
73. Jung-Koo Chang
74. Tommy Loughran
75. Wilfredo Gomez
76. Duilio Loi
77. Jean Sneyers
78. Joe Walcott
79. Eder Jofre
80. Terry McGovern
81. James Toney
82. Jorge Arce
83. Jimmy Wilde
84. Santos Benigno Laciar
85. Michael Nunn
86. Fighting Harada
87. Kostya Tszyu
88. Kid Williams
89. Ismael Laguna
90. Sergio Martinez
91. Aaron Pryor
92. Rocky Marciano
93. Antonio Tarver
94. Michael Spinks
95. Sandy Saddler
96. Humberto Gonzalez
97. Fidel LaBarba
98. Benny Lynch
99. Ray Famechon
100. Mike Gibbons
Yea these are pretty bizzare
 
Doesn't BoxRec use some kind of point system to establish rankings?

If that's the case, there are pros and cons. It removes the emotional aspect of creating these lists (the nostalgia factor) but it also can over-simplify things. For example, there's no way Wlad should be ranked over Lennox Lewis.

But in general, some aspects of that list do not seem as crazy as some people may think. I think we tend to underrate modern fighters because we were actually here to watch them and do not experience the same sense of magical nostalgia.

If Floyd fought in the 1940s, and we had the tapes, a lot of people would say he's the greatest who ever lived. Imagine Floyd looking untouchable and knocking dudes out in black and white. It'd carry quite a bit of emotional weight over us watching him argue with Larry Merchant and be under constant criticism for the fights he takes, in real-time.

We weren't there in 1940's to wonder why SRR was fighting some bum in his next fight, instead of the guy we really wanted to see him fight, ya know?

Imagine Manny Pacquiao footage in black and white. Taking Hatton out in one punch, swarming other greats like Barrera, and moving up through 8 or 9 weight classes. Imagine the Pacquiao vs Cotto fight in grainy black and white. We'd probably have him in the top 5 fighters of all time too.

If Manny fought in the 1940s and moved up through 8 or 9 weightclasses, he would have moved through ALL the weight classes. Now, he can still be considered lighter than middle weight.

Imagine if Armstrong fought today? He'd have five titles in five different weightclasses at the same time.
 
If Manny fought in the 1940s and moved up through 8 or 9 weightclasses, he would have moved through ALL the weight classes. Now, he can still be considered lighter than middle weight.

Imagine if Armstrong fought today? He'd have five titles in five different weightclasses at the same time.

That's what I'm talking about. Some people rate Armstrong in the top 3 of all time. Pacquiao would be right in the conversation with Henry Armstrong.
 
Well, whatever metrics they use to compute their numbers, they came out with Floy at #1 and Hopkins at #5. So it looks pretty fookin' correct to me, in'it?
 
Well, whatever metrics they use to compute their numbers, they came out with Floy at #1 and Hopkins at #5. So it looks pretty fookin' correct to me, in'it?
where the fuck are pulev? woods? broner? typical casual ignorance here
 
one thing about the boxrec ratings is that they don't really give much of a fuck how people think (well duh, it's a machine). It is not afraid to make bold claims.


Like NAC said, there is no nostalgia: Marciano is 92, behind sexy and ahead of Tarver. Shane Mosley is ahead of Sugar Ray Leonard, Daniel Zaragoza is #57 and veeraphol sahaprom is #68.
 
one thing about the boxrec ratings is that they don't really give much of a fuck how people think (well duh, it's a machine). It is not afraid to make bold claims.


Like NAC said, there is no nostalgia: Marciano is 92, behind sexy and ahead of Tarver. Shane Mosley is ahead of Sugar Ray Leonard, Daniel Zaragoza is #57 and veeraphol sahaprom is #68.

I can't imagine what their criteria is.
 
They modify the system sometimes and the ranking will change. SRR was 1 at one point and Archie Moore at another. There are some flaws but I don't think the could manually make the lists when they're that big.
 
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