1 - reread your post that i put in bold...okay, did elliott really say those things to whomever he said it to for no apparent reason??? because if he did thats just crazy and he deserves to get smacked...so if its really true that he started the shit talking im shocked people are defending elliott here...
OK, I just watched this again. The segment starts out with Elliot doing a "confessional" which is a 1 on1 recap with the camera/producer....saying how the 5 dudes in the hot tub were being really loud. And "words going back & forth". Elliot's table nearby, had 4 people and the other guy were clearly just cracking up. Then we hear Elliott yelling out "Hey, I won this tournament...unlike you...big fella".... The red haired guy responded back "I would have won it too if I were the size of my 8 year old".....Elliot: "but you didn't, we're sitting here in the winner circle"...."you wouldn't know nothing about that"..... One of the Hot Tub guys says..."I think that's going too far"..... Elliott: "Ultimate Fighter...Season 24...CHAMPION....on the top side of the bracket...the bottom side of the bracket is the shhhhhh...." Kraus was sitting there and he looked uncomfortable at what Elliott was saying.
So Julian throws a plastic bottle full of water at Elliott...but was swatted away by another guy......then Kraus gets upset (rightfully so) and said "hey I didn't say anything to none of you guys...." ...Kraus: "that would have hit me right in the face wouldn't it"...then Kraus doesn't escalates but just goes inside.
Now it could have been editing as we don't know if Elliott did go from 0 to 11 like that with calling the other guys "losers" and "the loser tub". But shit, that's just asking for it. Elliot had 3 guys there but none of them backed up Elliott with the exchange of words b/c they knew that that was low as shit to say something like that. Even after the bottle thrown, none of them even got mad.....and Kraus even said let's go inside, when he's the one who's fighting next and could have gotten hit by the bottle.
2 - i think you got it twisted man...because if a smaller dude or any size of a dude are defending themselves...their not the individuals that are backing up their mouths...what their doing are defending themselves from the bullies who are the ones that are mouthing off or whatever it is that the bullies are trying to do...
No, this was different. If a smaller guys STEPS UP to a bigger guy, ie. calls him a loser, after he just lost...haha, what do you think would happen?
3 - this is where you're getting out of hand...you're only going by your experience because you rarely saw "little dudes" stand up to bigger dudes...for me, i saw plenty of "little dudes" stand up to biggers dudes...
I've been training in MMA gyms for nearly 10 years (4-6 days a week, religiously). I see little dudes fight bigger ones quite often. We usually switch partners when sparring. You have to fight and ending up fighting everyone. So in a class of say, 10-15 and there's one little dude, he has to fight 6-10 rounds with different people all bigger than him. And sparring can be light to hard, which is possible KO. So I can see 1 little dude stand up to 6-10 bigger dudes in just 1 class. True that this isn't balls to the wall all the time, but everyone there is trained. So unless you've trained more than I have, I don't think you've seen more than me...and this doesn't even include street fights yet.
ill give you an example - my friend is a "little dude" since his skinny...one time we was riding our bikes and we see this big dude...dude looked like vitor when he was a HW...up the block just staring my firend down...we dont pay mind to it...but as soon as we ride pass him this pos spits right at my friend...misses him by a fuckin inch...we get off the bike and my firend chucks the bike at him but miss hitting him with it...my friend spits at him then told him hes going to kill him and he meant it...
this pos is telling him hes crazy whats his problem and so on...my friend is silent and walking straight towards him to kick his kneecaps and kick him in the nuts, 3 stooges him then punch his throat...he told me thats all he had in mind...this pos is looking dead in his eyes as hes walking towards him...what does he do...he runs away saying that he's sorry...my friend told him to stfu and kept walking towards this pos...then he fully ran away...
now if he hadnt ran away like a fuckin bitch and actually stayed...and if my friend werent able to execute what he had in mind...hes prob a dead man...hes no where near tough and the last thing he want to do is get into a fight but understand no matter what size the person is...there are "little dudes" out there that aint gonna tolerate some bullshit nonsense no matter what...and they do realize the size and strength difference but you need to understand some just dont give a fuck.
if you want to hear more i can tell you other "little dudes" standing their ground as well...
Trust me, I'm all for this. I'm all for little dudes standing up for themselves. In this case though, it was Elliott who was the one who took it to an ugly level.
maybe you're a big dude and sense little dudes fear you or some shit...or maybe where you're from thats just the way it is...or maybe you're just getting this perspective from the gym atmosphere....but you come to where im from and shoot up an attitude with a "little dude"...they dont give a fuck if you're trained or not...they will try their hardest to break your jaw for talkin shit.
I try not to bully little dudes or anyone...that's just not my thing, unless they step up. It may have happened a few times though, I wasn't proud of it. If I spit on some dude on a bike for no reason...and he comes walking up towards me....I would assume that it's time to fight and wouldn't just get sucker punched though....I'm just way too trained for that shit and have lots of experience in the streets.....but I wouldn't spit at someone like that for no reason.
the last bold part makes me think this "little dude", "big dude" perspective you're getting is from the gym atmosphere from this payback sparring that you keep speaking of...it sounds like just because the little dude and the big dude are both trained it makes it okay for the bigger dude to be ranked above the little dude...straight up bitch made bullshit...it makes it sound like the little dude is the bigger dudes bitch...which is just unheard of..
you have to understand this...none of that gym bullshit nonsense matters when you're out on the streets...you could be a black belt in every martial arts that exist...you will get smacked by someone of any size if you think just because you're a "big dude" and think you can look over a "little dude"...
I've been in over 20 street fights and used to be in a 2-bit street gang, more like a clique ..nothing felonious. The street fights were when I wasn't trained. They were bullshit compared to ring fights vs. equally trained opponents, which were a hundred times more grueling. The bigger dangers were the knives and guns though, we had those too. This was a long time ago, when I was a minor. No convictions. Can someone untrained, just walk up to me in the streets and knock me the fuck out? Sure, but the chances would be quite low.
How is this dynamic much different in a fighting gym than in the streets? Your little dude, toughguy friend doesn't really go up and start shit with much bigger dudes. He merely stands up for himself, which is fine. But he's not the one being a dick first, like Elliott...who knew the cameras would save him. Kind of like Angela Magana talking shit to Cyborg over Twitter and then they run into each other at a retreat and Cyborg pops her in the face.