Logically, Steroid Usage Has No Impact On GOAT Status

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  1. bad seed

    bad seed Gold Belt

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    Can't speak for Craig or Dolloway, but we do know for sure that natty Matt Riddle > natty Jon Jones.

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  2. Thaijitsu612

    Thaijitsu612 Brown Belt

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    But the four fighters who never used will have the comfort of knowing they didn't cheat
     
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  3. chinarice

    chinarice Gold Belt

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    All the unconfirmed ones get to be there bud, regardless of eye tests. Don't be sour. Jones or Silva, greatest cheaty cheaterton of all time?
     
  4. Sarge3000

    Sarge3000 Orange Belt

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    You're using a very backward argument here.
    - Arguing pretty much that all good fighters are on PEDs and all the lousy ones are not.
    - That somehow a blood test doesn't detect PED useage.
    - That somehow not taking PEDs on its own gives GOAT status.

    Regardless of your faulty argument, I believe that any fighter found to have used PEDs should be stripped of any honor, yes. Regardless of other fighters and whether they may or may not have used PEDs themselves.

    Not using PEDs alone does not make you a GOAT lmao. Any normal human can get his ass kicked in the UFC.
     
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  5. Franc Mittelo

    Franc Mittelo Banned Banned

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    I don't believe a fighter has ever lost a fight because his opponent was on steroids. Maybe, endurance enhancing PEDs like EPO and other forms of blood doping like self-transfusion.

    If you are the better fighter on fight night, you not going to lose because your opponent is on TRT. The margin in fighting is not that narrow. Just my opinion.
     
  6. BisexualMMA

    BisexualMMA Don't Put My Name in the Name of Steroids!

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  7. yeguiza

    yeguiza Red Belt

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    PEDS threads on sherdog are so childish

    100% on steroids

    ALL OF THEM
     
  8. UJustGotChaeld

    UJustGotChaeld Steel Belt

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    The only thing Craig and Jones have in common is that neither have any place in GOAT discussions.
     
  9. UJustGotChaeld

    UJustGotChaeld Steel Belt

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    No. He's not in the discussion. At all.

    Unless you want a goat of cheaters list.
     
  10. TheSecretArma

    TheSecretArma Yellow Belt

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    Read the tittle. Still waiting for the logic.
     
  11. Thaijitsu612

    Thaijitsu612 Brown Belt

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    Im not sour. In fact I don't think either of them is goat even without failed test
     
  12. chinarice

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    Me neither.

    GOAT St Pierre for the win!
     
  13. HIMBOB

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    If you want to look at it that way sure.
     
  14. LikeItIs

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    I suppose that could be true...

    If criteria for "GOAT" was actually defined, which it's not. GOAT is whoever the fuck you want it to be based on whatever shit criteria you want it to be based on.
     
  15. ib313

    ib313 Imagine a Dystopian UFC

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    Paul Craig is not on the same list as Silva and JJ unless it is show that he cheats. Otherwise it's apples and oranges. I don't care about proven cheats.
     
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    iwhoopedbatman Fox Hunter Extraordinaire

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    CAnderson is worse than Paul Craig.
     
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  17. unfinishable

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    I completely disagree. All you have to do is look at some fighters pre and post usada.
    Why would fighters risk their careers in cheating if it did not give them an advantage? Doesn't make sense
     
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    dns2344 Purple Belt

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    Where they actually end up ranking when the topic is GOAT (#1) doesn’t really matter because they are ineligible for that status.
    Just because you can’t figure out where they rank in the list doesn’t mean you just keep them at the top.
    The failed logic here is with you it seems.
     
  19. ChaelSonn

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    The thing is. We won't know if Jones is better than Paul Craig because we don't have 100% proof Jones has ever competed clean. But if Paul Craig hasn't popped for roids then yes Paul Craig is a better fighter and competitor than Jones because he goes into fight with his training and not on how juiced he is to be able to unfairly manhandle his opponents around.
     
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    McGregor is the OFFICIAL GOAT
     

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