Let's all be honest: Trump's "wall" is a colossal waste of money

IGotAHugePeckah said:
Or they'll just come legally and overstay their VISAs.
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I assumed that was the majority of people who are in the US illegally.

Arrive on a visa, but stay once it has expired.

Are there any numbers to back this up?
 
Yeah. Never liked the wall ideal. He's backpedaled on its size and hopefully will let the idea fade away.
 
This wall is emblematic of not just the virulent right wing racists in America, it is, but of our defense spending as well.

The US could halve it's annual defense spending and still outspend the second ranked country (China) by 100 billion dollars. The US has the most technologically advanced defense infrastructure in the history of the world. And all it took to bring the US to its knees was 19 guys with box cutters bought at Costco.

Now Trump and his doltish followers want a multibillion dollar wall. Guess who's going to Costco to get a $299 ladder to beat that wall? Stupid solutions call for stupid people. Thank god Donald Trump and his deplorable following are here to fill that ignorance void.
 
elfeliz said:
he wants to build it in order to increase his chances of getting re-elected because thats what his supporters want the most. if he doesn't deliver on that promise that could hurt his chances
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True, but it's the kind of cold calculating that politicians do.

Politicians make promises, usually wild ones.
They don't always make a concerted effort to appeal to such a crass base that has a hatred of brown skinned people, however.
Deny that shit all you want, Trumpbots. Everyone sees it except you
 
ShadowRun said:
Why even have a military? there are countries that had military's from the beginning of governments and they eventually lose and get taken over, like what's the point.
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Military patrolling the border would be more effective. But we both know neither will happen.
 
And money ain't a thang.

It could be a tourist hot spot, national monumental park. New army base. It could serve more then 1 purpose
 
We are gonna build a wall, a Great Wall, we have the best walls. Mexico is going to pay for it.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier

uicide bombings have decreased since the construction of the barrier.[7][45] Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, Hamas, and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad have been less able to conduct attacks in Israel, which have decreased in areas where the barrier has been completed.[46][47]

The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Israel Security Agency report that in 2002, there were 452 fatalities from terrorist attacks. Before the completion of the first continuous segment (July 2003) from the beginning of the Second Intifada, 73 Palestinian suicide bombings were carried out from the West Bank, killing 293 Israelis and injuring over 1,900. After the completion of the first continuous segment through the end of 2006, there were only 12 attacks based in the West Bank, killing 64 people and wounding 445.[6] Terrorist attacks declined in 2007[6] and 2008[48] to 9 in 2010.[49]

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs predicts that completion of the barrier will continue to prevent terrorist attacks[50] since "[a]n absolute halt in terrorist activities has been noticed in the West Bank areas where the fence has been constructed."[46]
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Walls are good at keeping people out. America has a problem with people just walking in from the south border with Mexico. A wall will help fix that.

Note that South America/Mexico are the most violent places on earth, 95% of heroine is smuggled in from Mexico, a lot of violent MS-13 gangs are growing in the US, etc. Amortize the wall for however it will operate and it pays for itself tenfold.
 
IGotAHugePeckah said:
Like that former Mexican president said, you can build a 20 foot wall, they're just going to come over it with a 20 foot ladder.

Or as a lot do, just come under the wall through tunnels. You can build a 100 foot wall, it doesn't matter if they're just going under it. Or they'll continue to be smuggled across the border. Or they'll just come legally and overstay their VISAs.

What Trump needs to do is acknowledge that illegal immigrants are going to get into America, and focus his resources and remove them when they do with stricter rules.

Take that money you were going to use on a wall and offer cash rewards for tips leading to the deportation of illegals. Money is the greatest motivator behind sex, so if someone knows they can make money from anonymously reporting illegals, ICE is going to be VERY busy.

Continue to go after businesses who employ illegals with heavy fines and sanctions.

Make it so that if you're caught illegally living in America, you're deported and you are forever disqualified from ever legally immigrating or visiting America.

And of course, DACA MUST be abolished.
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If nothing else the wall has symbolic value
 
Stupid people being honest complicates even simple issues
 
The people crossing the border are the poorest of the poor and the lowest of the low. At least the overstayers made an effort to enter legally.
 
Instead of building the wall, I rather Trump do the following:

1. Hire several hundred more border agents along the southern border.

2. Legalize, regulate and impose professional standards on those border militia groups so they become an auxiliary force with oversight.

3. Install surveillance equipment along the border and use drones to help spot illegal activities.
 
Fluffernutter said:
I assumed that was the majority of people who are in the US illegally.

Arrive on a visa, but stay once it has expired.

Are there any numbers to back this up?
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino...der-crossings-trend-expected-continue-n730216
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino...der-crossings-trend-expected-continue-n730216
And another outlining of the data, from the Center for Migration Studies, which the report in the article above cited.

http://cmsny.org/press-release-undocumented-decline/
 
HatchetHarry said:
Medicaid, disability, Israel, ACA, unnecessary wars, and all kinds of other bullshit are unnecessary wastes of money. The wall serves a purpose.
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as an economic weight around our neck? just like long walls have been for every country in history thats made one? they must be maintained. guarded. staffed. and then, they tend not to work anyway.

if you dont want illegals....its F'ing simple. punish those who hire them. remove the magnet that draws them here. although, lately, there havent been that many coming anyway.
 
machidafan99 said:
Yeah. Never liked the wall ideal. He's backpedaled on its size and hopefully will let the idea fade away.
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I never really believed he would build it for most of the border. The guy is a salesman, and much of his campaign spiel came off as someone selling something that he didn't really expect to go through with
 
JonnyRingo84 said:
as an economic weight around our neck? just like long walls have been for every country in history thats made one? they must be maintained. guarded. staffed. and then, they tend not to work anyway.

if you dont want illegals....its F'ing simple. punish those who hire them. remove the magnet that draws them here. although, lately, there havent been that many coming anyway.
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Wall or barrier, doesn't matter what shape it takes, as long as what is put in place stems the flow. The supporters can say that not building a Wall costs more.

Walls seems to work in Israel though. And currently Pakistan and Afghanistan are building barriers to stem the flow of various militant groups.

I am not 1 of these guys who wants to stop Mestizos and Amerindians from coming here, but I have to admit that if the US really wanted to stem the flow, it can do so with some sort of barrier system. It's not impractical as supporters of illegals paint it as.
 
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